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Staff. Sgt. Milton C. Sprouse ‘Roswell’

New 2nd-hand witness to alien bodies and autopsy at base hospital, disappearing nurse and other disappearing medical personnel, and large cleanup of “out of this world” crash material at Foster Ranch debris field

S/Sgt. Milton Sprouse, 830th Bomb Sq., 1947 base yearbook

S. Sgt. Milton C. Sprouse is a brand new witness to some of the Roswell events who emerged in late 2007 in two San Diego newspaper articles. (w15 San Diego Union-Tribune, 10/26/2007; w16 North County Times, 9/30/2007) Sprouse is listed in the 1947 base yearbook (photo right) as one of the “old men” or original members of the 509th Bomb Group, dating back to 1944. In 1947, he was B-29 crew chief on “Dave’s Dream” with the 830th Bomb Squadron.

Sprouse said he wasn’t directly involved and all he knew was from men he knew who were. His basic story was that he wasn’t present at the base during the initial stages of the Roswell incident, but returned to the base with his B-29 the evening of July 7, 1947 (as reported in Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell, p. 233) The base was buzzing with rumors about the crash. The next day the story broke of the recovered flying disc, quickly followed by the retraction and debunking as a weather balloon.

Milton Sprouse's B-29 crew in 1947. Sprouse was the crew chief, top right. Sprouse said five of these men were sent out to the debris field to assist in the cleanup and reported debris 'out of this world.'.

Sprouse said that upon their return, five of his crew were sent out to the Foster Ranch or Brazel debris field to assist in the cleanup, which involved 500 men lined shoulder to shoulder scouring the ground for debris. However, he was ordered to remain with “Dave’s Dream” in case it was needed. (Note: Dave’s Dream flew intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel to Fort Worth with debris on the afternoon of July 8. Sprouse, however, wasn’t part of the crew.)

When his men returned they described debris that was “out of this world,” including the often-reported “memory foil” that returned to its original shape when crumpled up.

However, the most remarkable part of Sprouse’s story was hearing of the alien bodies and an autopsy quickly conducted at the base hospital from a medic friend, a fellow staff sergeant who shared the barracks. The medic worked in the emergency room and had been called out to the hospital. He had seen the “humanoid” bodies and said two doctors and two nurses were involved with the autopsy. Immediately afterwards, the medic disappeared and Sprouse said they couldn’t discover what had become of him. Similarly he heard that the doctors and nurses involved also were immediately transferred out and nothing could be discovered of their fate either.

(Sprouse added a detail that is generally not known. He said the medic also told him, ‘We don’t think the humanoid ate food.’ I don’t know why he said that. The digestive system wasn’t designed for food or something.” This was also reported to UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield around 1979 by two doctors who said they had also conducted an autopsy on an alien body in the early 1950s. The alien lacked teeth and a digestive system.)

This story is almost exactly the same told by Glenn Dennis, the Roswell mortician, who said a nurse friend told him of being involved in the autopsy and then disappeared, fate unknown. Although Dennis’ credibility has come under severe fire for providing a false name for the nurse, Sprouse seems to be corroborating the story.

Sprouse said he also knew Dennis from a funeral that Dennis arranged for a friend several years later. He said Dennis told him at that time of receiving calls from the base for child-size coffins (Sprouse recalled Dennis said five, but Dennis reported being told only of only three or four bodies.)

Another witness who said Dennis told him of the call from the base for small coffins early on was L. M. Hall, the former police chief of Roswell. (affidavit) Hall said this occurred only a few days after July 8, 1947.

Sprouse said he also knew Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer involved in the initial investigation of the Brazel debris field. After the incident he could never ask him a question because he couldn’t get close to him. (It wasn’t totally clear what Sprouse meant by that.)

Finally Sprouse said he continued to hear stories at the base about the crashed flying saucer and alien bodies for years afterwards until he left in 1956. He believes there is a far-level cover-up of the event that extends clear to the White House.

Another part of Sprouse’s story, not reported in the newspaper articles below but in Witness to Roswell (p. 233), was being told a week later by some buddies of a debris flight. A C-54 pulled up in front of Hangar 84/P-3 (central site of many debris/body stories). The cargo plane was loaded with pieces of wreckage, including one large piece. They couldn’t get a close look because of guards posted around the hangar. “The rumor was that General [Roger] Ramey was on the plane.” In the morning, the plane was gone and the hangar was empty.

Base public information officer Walter Haut in his 2002 affidavit claimed Gen. Ramey was at the staff morning meeting on July 8, 1947, plotting how to cover things up. Another witness placing Ramey at the base was Ed Zimmerman (affidavit). Sprouse’s account would be weak corroboration of Ramey’s presence at the base.


Read: San Diego Union-Tribune 10-26-2007

Read: North County Times (San Diego, Riverside, CA), Sept. 30, 2007

San Diego Union-Tribune 10-26-2007

Source: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20071026-9999-lz1mc26ufo.html

Witness to Roswell flying saucer incident tells his story

By Pat Sherman

ESCONDIDO – Retired Air Force veteran Milton Sprouse clearly remembers the summer day in 1947 when he returned to Roswell Army Air Field aboard the B-29 bomber Dave’s Dream from a three-day maneuver in Florida.

The Escondido resident, then a corporal and engine mechanic in the Army Air Forces could not believe what his ground crew was telling him: a UFO had crashed in the New Mexico desert, on a ranch 70 miles away.

The story made the front page of the Roswell Daily Record: “RAAF Captures Flying Saucer,” read the headline.

According to the July 8 story, “the intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Air Field announced … that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.”

The craft supposedly had been recovered after the ranch owner notified the sheriff’s department, who sent Maj. Jesse Marcel and a team to investigate.

“Marcel and a detail from his department went to the ranch and recovered the disk,” the story stated. “After the intelligence officer here had inspected the instrument it was flown to higher headquarters.”

The next day, the paper retracted the story, claiming that the recovered object was a weather balloon – an account the government stuck with until 1995. It was then announced that the weather balloon story had been fabricated to cover up Project Mogul, a top-secret project involving two-dozen high-altitude neoprene balloons designed to detect Russian nuclear explosions.

According to Sprouse, five of his crew were called to the site to collect the remaining debris and load it onto a flatbed truck. Sprouse was ordered to stay with Dave’s Dream in case the military should suddenly need the craft.

“I had reservations of what all they were telling me, because each one of them told something different,” he said. “I thought, ‘I don’t know.’ … Later on, when it all started coming out in piecemeal, you could put it together and tell what they said was true.”

As years passed, Sprouse grew more comfortable talking about the Roswell Incident.

Author and ufologist Thomas J. Carey interviewed Sprouse three times with co-author Donald Schmitt. Sprouse is mentioned on page 233 of their new book, “Witness to Roswell: Unmasking the 60-Year Cover-Up.”

During his first interview, videotaped at the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, Sprouse was reluctant to talk about the incident, Carey said.

“He was a career Air Force guy, and they’re the least likely to speak because of their pensions,” Carey said. “When I interviewed him over the phone in 2001, I got a little more information, and then I interviewed him again last year and got even more. It was an evolution of coming forward.”

Today, as Sprouse recounts the incident, he leans forward in earnest, a conspiratorial gleam in his eyes.

About 500 soldiers sent to the crash site were lined shoulder to shoulder and ordered to scour the property for debris, he said.

“They lined them up and then said, ‘We want you to go through this ranch the way you’re facing until we tell you to stop, and we want you to pick up everything unnatural,’” Sprouse said.

“When my crew got back (from the crash site), we talked for weeks,” he said. “They told me everything and I believe them…. They told me, ‘Milt, it’s true.’ ”

Among the material discovered was a malleable, foil-like material that could be laid flat with no creases after being squashed into a ball.

Whether fact or lore, one of the most intriguing pieces of the puzzle are reports of five diminutive green bodies allegedly recovered with the UFO. Sprouse believes it.

A staff sergeant in his barracks was called to the hospital shortly after the crash, he said.

“He and two doctors and two nurses were in the emergency room, and they brought in one of those five humanoid bodies that they had recovered,” he said. “They said, ‘We want this dissected and we want a complete history of how it functions and the parts and everything.’ ”

The next day, the man from his barracks was transferred from the base, Sprouse said.

“We never heard from him again,” he said. “We asked and (they said), ‘Oh, we don’t know nothing about it.’ … I heard later that both nurses and both doctors were shipped different directions and nobody ever knew where they went.”

Sprouse recalled an interesting conversation with the owner of a funeral home in Roswell several years later.

“We had some friend of ours that died, and he said, ‘Hey Milt, I want to talk to you,’ ” he said. “He says, ‘You know the base come to me and wanted five children’s caskets.’ That was two or three days after the crash. I said, ‘No kidding.’ He says, ‘I only had one, and I told them that.’ They said, ‘One won’t do us very good,’ and they went somewhere else and got them.”

The day the UFO story ran, the debris was allegedly loaded onto two B-29 bombers, one of them Dave’s Dream, and sent to a base in Fort Worth, Texas.

Sprouse and Carey believe the material was then shipped to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, where they say it remains today.

“We believe some of the stuff was loaned around, but the main repository was the foreign technology division at Wright-Patterson,” said Carey, who holds a master’s degree in anthropology and served briefly in the Air Force. “We’ve heard stories over the years of people who say that they’re still trying to figure out what that stuff is.”

Various rumors suggest that pieces of the ship and the bodies were stored in a mysterious Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson.

Derek Kaufman, who works in Wright-Patterson’s public affairs office, was tentative when broaching the subject of Roswell and Hangar 18. He said the base tracks all such phone inquiries.

“We might get a couple of queries a month related to strange phenomena. … Someone who believes that they’ve seen something very unusual – low-flying, strange aircraft or something along those lines,” Kaufman said. “Folks who are UFO enthusiasts are typically the people that inquire about Hangar 18 or about Roswell, but a lot of them don’t seem to be credible queries. They seem to be folks bordering on the fanatic. … I’m hard-pressed to describe where Hangar 18 even is located.”

Asked if there was any material from Roswell transferred to the base in 1947, Kaufman said, “I’ll just defer to what reports have been exhaustively investigated and are now available to the general public.”

Wright-Patterson’s Web site includes a section titled “UFOs and other strange phenomena” that includes links to the Air Force Freedom of Information Act Web site and a 993-page document titled, “The Roswell Report: Fact Versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert.” In the report, the government meticulously makes its case debunking the Roswell Incident.

According to the report, the bodies recovered at the site were not alien beings, but crash-test dummies used to test high-altitude parachutes.

UFO enthusiasts say they couldn’t have been dummies because the parachute tests weren’t conducted until nearly a decade later.

“That’s a non-starter because that project didn’t get under way until the mid-’50s,” Carey said. “These mannequins were a good 6 feet tall, they looked human and they were in regular flight suits. There’s no way you confuse those for little aliens with big heads.”

Asked if there are any remnants of the mysterious event stored at Roswell, Rob Young, a historian with the National Air and Space Intelligence Center at Wright-Patterson, answered, “I would not know. I’ve never seen anything like that. … To my knowledge there is not.”

Sprouse believes the Roswell Incident is a far-reaching cover-up that leads as far as the White House.

“The presidents are briefed on everything … classified, unclassified, whether they’ll acknowledge it or not,” Sprouse said. “Clinton, says, ‘I don’t know nothing.’ Carter says, ‘I don’t know nothing about that.’ Bush won’t even talk about it.”

Sprouse’s wife, Peggy, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, is skeptical about the UFO story. She’s been to Roswell with her husband and said once was enough.

“Been there, done that,” she said. “I never did believe it and still don’t believe it.”

Sprouse, who will speak at the Nov. 18 meeting of the San Diego Chapter of the Mutual UFO Network, seems to be enjoying his part in keeping the story alive.

Has the government ever asked him not to speak about Roswell?

“No, but I worry about it,” he said. “I’m getting all these telephone calls on that report, and I often wonder if it’s somebody looking into this.”

North County Times (San Diego, Riverside, CA), Sept. 30, 2007

Source: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/05/lifeandtimes/20_37_059_29_07.txt

The truth is out there: Roswell incident recalled by local vet who was there 60 years ago

By: GARY WARTH – Staff Writer
Something happened in Roswell, New Mexico, 60 years ago this summer.

In June or early July 1947, a farmer found strange debris while working on a ranch about 70 miles north of Roswell. He put some of it in a box and drove to the local sheriff. Neither man knew what to make of it, so the sheriff called Roswell Army Air Field, which sent two men to investigate.

On July 9, 1947, the Roswell Daily Record, a newspaper, printed a story with the alarming headline: “RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region.”

Other than those facts, there appear to be few things people agree on regarding what has become known as “the Roswell incident.”

Six decades later, competing UFO enthusiasts promote their own theories, skeptics dismiss the spaceship claims as outrageous, and the military, which originally claimed all the fuss was over a weather balloon, now sticks to its story that it was an experimental spy craft.

Escondido resident Milton Sprouse, 85, said he knows what happened in Roswell —- not because he favors one theory over another, but because he was there.

As for the outrageous stories of mysterious metal, alien corpses and a military coverup?

It’s all true, he said.

From atom bombs to flying saucers

Before arriving at Roswell Army Air Field in 1945 as a corporal and engine mechanic, Sprouse already had participated in an undisputable historic event.

As a member of the 393rd Bomb Squadron assigned to the 509th Composite Group, Sprouse worked on the ground crew of Big Stink, one of the B-29 bombers stationed on the Pacific island of Tinian, where the two atomic bomb missions on Japan were launched to end World War II.

After the war, the 509th Composite Group was reassigned to Roswell, where they were renamed the 509th Bomb Wing. Sprouse continued to lead the ground crew of Big Stink, which had been renamed Dave’s Dream after the pilot.

“There was nothing there but tumbleweeds blowing for miles,” he said about arriving at Roswell in November 1945.

Sprouse first learned that something odd was going on at Roswell after returning from a three-day trip to Florida aboard Dave’s Dream.

“I was there the day they announced a UFO had crashed,” he said. “The next day, it was published in the Roswell Daily Record, and that night, all the generals said the story was untrue.”

Farmer William “Mac” Brazel had found debris on the J.B. Foster Ranch, where he was a foreman, sometime in June or early July. Brazel took some of the material, which reportedly included sticks, rubber strips, metallic foil and sturdy paper, to Sheriff George Wilcox, who called the air base.

Intelligence Officer Jesse Marcel was sent to the sheriff’s station. Marcel reported what he saw to Air Force commanding officer Col. William Blanchard, who told him to go with Brazel to the ranch and examine the crash site.

After spending the night at the ranch, Marcel and another officer loaded their vehicles with debris, some of which reportedly was marked with mysterious symbols, and drove back to the base. Blanchard then ordered a press release stating that the base had captured a flying saucer.

The original story ran in the local paper July 8. That same day, the debris was loaded onto a B-29 and sent with Marcel to an Air Force base in Texas. Marcel was photographed with what was said to be the debris, and the military issued a statement saying that it was in fact a weather balloon.

Search for the truth

Meanwhile, Sprouse said, all copies of the Roswell newspaper were collected by officers, and hundreds of men from the 509th were taken to the crash site and told to walk shoulder-to-shoulder through the field, looking for debris pieces.

Sprouse himself did not go because he was told he was needed for Dave’s Dream, but five men from his ground crew went to the ranch.

“They said it was out of this world,” Sprouse said about what the crew reported finding. Among the objects it reported seeing was a metallic foil that, when crumpled, unfolded without a crease.

But what was the debris? Was it really something from another world, or just the product of overactive imaginations fueled by the monotony of a desolate 1950s desert town?

One thing that is agreed upon now: It was not from a weather balloon.

In 1995, after years of questions about the incident, the U.S. Air Force admitted the weather-balloon story was fabricated to cover up a top-secret project called Project Mogul designed to detect atomic activity over the Soviet Union with high-altitude balloons.

Some of the launches in the project contained more than two dozen neoprene balloons strung across more than 600 feet.

Charles Moore, a Project Mogul scientist interviewed in the Air Force report, has spoken in public about the project and described striking similarities to what was found at the ranch outside of Roswell and the Project Mogul material, which used sticks, metallic paper and strangely marked tape.

The strange markings that had seemed like cosmic hieroglyphics may have had a much more mundane explanation: Moore said the project used tape made at a toy factory.

The balloons were launched in June and July 1947 from Alamogordo Army Air Field in New Mexico. One flight was launched June 4 and tracked to Arabela, N.M., about 17 miles from the Foster ranch, before its batteries ran down and contact was lost.

More questions

But if the debris did come from a Project Mogul craft, how could a string of balloons create the types of gouges on the ground some witnesses have reported?

Then again, maybe there were no gouges; skeptics of the UFO theory have noted that some witnesses changed their stories about what they saw on the crash site.

The Project Mogul explanation also does not address why some people reported seeing alien bodies at the site. Those were explained in another report in 1997 that concluded the bodies actually were anthropomorphic dummies used to test high-altitude parachutes.

UFO believers found the explanation a little too convenient. There also was a timing problem, as the parachute tests were not conducted until the 1950s. The timing discrepancy has been explained as the result of people who over the years confused the two incidents and compressed memories of them into one event.

Sprouse, however, said he recalls people speaking about “alien bodies” immediately after the debris discovery.

“They took the bodies to a hangar, and there were two guards at each door with machine guns,” he said.

Sprouse said one witness, a barracksmate, was an emergency-room medic who reported seeing what he called “humanoid” bodies in the hospital.

“They went to the ER room and two doctors and two nurses were called in, and they dissected two of those humanoid bodies,” he said. “Then the doctors and nurses were transferred.

“My friend said he saw the bodies, and I believed him,” Sprouse said. “He said, ‘We don’t think the humanoid ate food.’ I don’t know why he said that. The digestive system wasn’t designed for food or something.”

Like the other doctors and nurses, Sprouse said, his friend suddenly was transferred, and he never heard from him again. Others on the base, however, kept the story alive.

“I heard it so many times, it had to be true,” he said.

Sprouse said he knew Marcel, but he never spoke to him after the incident.

“From that day on, I could never get close to him,” he said.

The story lives on

After the story about the UFO crash was retracted, the rest of the world largely forgot about Roswell and accepted that what had been discovered was just a misidentified weather balloon.

The men stationed at the base, however, did not easily forget.

“They were still talking about it when I left, and I left in ’56,” Sprouse said.

In 1978, Marcel was interviewed by a researcher and appeared in a documentary, “UFOs Are Real,” the following year. The National Enquirer interviewed Marcel in 1980 for an article in which he said the woodlike debris could not be burned and the thin metal could not be bent. “The Roswell Incident” was released in 1980 as the first of a string of books on the subject.

As interest grew in the Roswell UFO incident, so did the number of detractors. Some have questioned Marcel’s credibility, saying he got caught up in UFO hysteria and was known to exaggerate his own military past.

Jesse Marcel, Jr. published his own book this year, “The Roswell Legacy,” defending his father, who died in 1986.

Sprouse has not kept up with all the books and documentaries on Roswell and did not go to Roswell in July for the 60th anniversary of the discovery.

He does, however, attend annual reunions with the 509th, which attracts 25 to 30 veterans.

“The Roswell incident comes up every year, but there’s nothing really new,” he said.

Sprouse also speaks about his experience at Tinian to about five high schools a year, and he often is invited to speak to other groups. He usually ends his talk with his memories of Roswell, often to the surprise of his audience.

At a talk in Tucson, Ariz., earlier this year, Sprouse said a man came up to him afterwards and said, “I don’t believe a damn thing you said.”

“I told him, ‘You can believe what you want, but I know it’s true,'” Sprouse said.

Contact staff writer Gary Warth at (760) 740-5410 or gwarth@nctimes.com.



(1) My name is Earl L. Zimmerman

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am employed as: __________________________________.(X)I am retired

(4) During World War II, I served in the Army Air Force as an aircraft radio operator. After the war ended, I left the service, but reenlisted a short time later, reporting to Roswell Army Air field (RAAF), New Mexico, in or about March 1947. There I served in the base radio shack as a high-speed code transmission radio operator. In early 1949, I was transferred to the Office of Special Investigations and assigned to District 17 headquarters at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque.

(5) While stationed at RAAF, I moonlighted as a bartender in the base officer’s club. During the summer of 1947, I heard many rumors about flying saucers in the club and around the base, including something about investigating the discovery of one under the guise of a plane crash investigation. At about this time, I saw Eighth Air Force commander General Roger Ramey in the O club more than once. On a couple of these occasions, he had Charles Lindbergh with him and I heard they were on the base because of the flying saucer business. There was no publicity about Lindbergh’s visits, and I was very surprised to see him in the club. I think he came to Roswell with Ramey, and I seem to recall that on one of these occasions Ramey had flown in from Puerto Rico.

(6) At about the same time, I learned that an officer not stationed at the base, a big man whom I saw in the club a number of times, was a Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) agent. I do not recall how I learned the man was with CIC, but on one occasion when this officer was in the club, I called him to the attention of Colonel William H. Blanchard, the base commander. Blanchard was unaware that this CIC agent was on his base, so he went over and introduced himself. Later, Blanchard told me there was no problem.

(7) In early 1949, after being transferred to OSI in Albuquerque, I worked with Dr. Lincoln LaPaz of the University of New Mexico on an extended project at the university’s research station on top of Sandia Peak. We were told the Air Force was concerned about “something” being in the night sky over Los Alamos, and we took 15-minute exposures of the sky with a four by five Speed Graphic camera. We worked in three-man, one-week shifts, and Dr. LaPaz was in charge.

(8) During this project, which lasted for several months, I got to know Dr. LaPaz very well. When I mentioned to him I had been stationed in Roswell during 1947, he told me he had been involved in the investigation of the thing found in the Roswell area that summer. He did not discuss the case in any detail, but he did say he went out with two agents and interviewed sheepherders, ranchers, and others. They told these witnesses they were investigating an aircraft accident. I seem to recall LaPaz also saying they found an area where the surface earth had been turned a light blue and wondering if lightning could cause such an effect.

(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Earl L. Zimmerman
Nov. 2, 1993

Signature witnessed by:
Beverly J. Maggard, 11-2-93


[Source: Karl Pflock, Roswell in Perspective, 1994]


The following table has been added to aid in cross-referencing witness descriptions of properties.

See also last section on nanotechnology for how these properties might be replicated by recently developed super-strong and resilient carbon nano tubule material.:

Names Connection Credibility Properties Malleability Mass Optics Optics Texture/Feel
Witness Job 1st Hand Recoils Uncuttable Very Dull Gray Shiny Cloth-Like
~ Relation 2nd-Hand Uncreaseable Very Tough Lite-Weight Like Silvery Porous
~ Involvement ~ Undentable Very Strong ~ Lead ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ Unburnable ~ Foil ~ ~
Mjr. Jesse Marcel: Ros. Chief Intel Officer 1st ~
Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.: Mjr. Marcel’s son 1st ~ ~ ~ ~
Bill Brazel Jr.: Mack Brazel’s son 1st ~ ~
Sally Strickland Tadolini Brazel Neighbour 1st ~ ~
Marian Strickland Brazel neighbour; mother Sally Tadolini 2nd ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Loretta Proctor Brazel neighbor quoting Mack Brazel 2nd ~ ? ~
Phyllis Wilcox McGuire Daughter Sheriff Wilcox; quoting father 2nd ~ ~ ~ ? ~
Sgt. Robert Smith Ros. Air Transport Unit 1st ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Mast. Sgt. Lewis Rickett Ros. Counter-Intel. 1st ~ ~
Lt. Jack Trowbridge ** Ros. Intel Office 1st ~ ~ ~ ? ~
Staff Sgt. Earl Fulford ** 603rd Air Engin. Sq 1st ~ ~
Staff Sgt. Milton Sprouse ** 830th Bomb Sq 2nd ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Larry Rowlette ** Son, Sgt. Homer Rowlette, 603rd Air Eng Sq 2nd ~ ~ ~ ~
Charles Schmid Roswell Resident 1st ~ ~
Paul Price ** Roswell Resident 1st ~ ~ ~ ~
Frankie Dwyer Rowe Daughter Roswell fireman Dan Dwyer 1st ~ ~ ~
Helen Dwyer Cahill Sister of Frankie Rowe 2nd ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Shirley Brazel ** Bill Brazel’s Wife 1st ~ ~ ~ ~
Jim Ragsdale Roswell Resident 1st ~ ~ ? ~ ~
Philip Croft ** Brazel Hunting Partner, Corona Resident 1st ~ ~ ~
L. D. Sparks ** Rancher 1st ~ ~ ~
Brig. Gen. Arthur Exon C/O Wright-Patt. AFB 2nd ~ ~ ~
June Crain Wright-Patterson AFB. employee 1951/52 1st ~ ~
Mjr. Ellis Boldra Ros. Engineering; son/ friend testimony 2nd ~ ~ ~
Albert Bruce Collins Berkeley metallurgist? Quoted by Tim Cooper 1st ~ ~
Dr. Robert Sarbacher Consultant R&D Board, from Whitley Streiber 1st/2nd? ~ ~ ~
Walt Whitmore Jr.: (1979) Roswell resident, son KGFL owner 1st ~
(Reluctant) -Whitmore ’92 Roswell resident, son KGFL owner 1st ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Jason Kellahin AP Reporter 1st ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Bessie Brazel Schreiber Daughter Mack Brazel 1st ~ ~ ~ ~
v-1.31 v-2.31 v-3.31 v-4.31 v-5.31 v-6.31 v-7.31 v-8.31 v-9.31

Descriptions of Roswell Crash Debris by Civilian and Military Witnesses (Compiled by David Rudiak) Last updated: January 23, 2011

Wood-like Tan Sticks or I-Beams with “Hieroglyphics”

Metals Rigid and Other.


Major Jesse Marcel: w01

(H & M, FUFOR, 1979 television interview) “[There were] many bits of metallic foil, that looked like, but was not, aluminium, for no matter how often one crumpled it, it regained its original shape again. Besides that, they were indestructible, even with a sledgehammer.”

(Corley) “…the material was unusual. Of course the Air Force called it a balloon. It couldn’t have been. It was porous. It couldn’t hold any air. The material was a fabric… I tried to blow though it. It would go right through it. I tried to blow it with my mouth.” [Corley asking for clarification: “What piece? That foil looking stuff?”] “No, no. …what looked like balloon material. A cloth. …It wouldn’t hold any air. …it’s a cloth-like material, but it was also metallic. …It was a metallic cloth. It [air] would go right through it. I even tried to burn it. It wouldn’t burn. …a balloon has to have …gas to go up in the air — even hot air. This could not hold anything like that. It was porous.

More about: Major Jesse Marcel


Jesse Marcel Jr.: w02

(Son of Roswell intelligence chief, Marcel Jr. was 11 years old in 1947)

(B & M) “The material was foil-like stuff, very thin, metallic-like but not metal, and very tough.”

(R & S 2) Marcel Jr. described the foil as resembling “lead foil.”

(KPFA) “Most of the debris consisted of metal foil. It was kind of like a dull aluminum on each surface.”

(Pflock, also FUFOR, affidavit, May 6, 1991) “Most of the debris looked like pieces of an aircraft airframe and its skin. . . . [There was] a thick, foil-like metallic gray substance.”

More about: N/A



William Brazel Jr.: w03

(F & B) “One of the pieces looked like] something on the order of tinfoil, except that [it] wouldn’t tear…. You could wrinkle it and lay it back down and it immediately resumed its original shape… quite pliable, but you couldn’t crease or bend it like ordinary metal. Almost like a plastic, but definitely metallic. Dad once said that the Army had once told him it was not anything made by us.”

“…a little piece of — it wasn’t tinfoil, it wasn’t lead foil — a piece about the size of my finger. …The only reason I noticed the tinfoil (I’m gonna call it tinfoil), I picked this stuff up and put it in my chaps pocket. Might be two or three days or a week before I took it out and put it in a cigar box. I happened to notice when I put that piece of foil in that box, and the damn thing just started unfolding and just flattened out. Then I got to playing with it. I’d fold it, crease it, lay it down and it’d unfold. It’s kinda weird. I couldn’t tear it. The colour was in between tinfoil and lead foil, about the [thickness] of lead foil.”

(B & M) “There were several bits of metal-like substance, something on the order of tinfoil, except that this stuff wouldn’t tear and was actually a bit darker in color than tinfoil — more like lead foil, except very thin and extremely lightweight. The odd thing about this foil was that you could wrinkle it and lay it back down and it immediately resumed its original shape. It was quite pliable, yet you couldn’t crease or bend it like ordinary metal. It was almost more like a plastic of some sort except that it was definitely metallic in nature. I don’t know what it was, but I do know that Dad once said that the Army had told him that they had definitely established it wasn’t anything made by us.”

(R & S 1) “The only reason I noticed the tin foil was that I picked this stuff up and put it in my chaps pocket. Like I said, I had it in here two, three days, and when I took it out and put it in the box and I happened to notice that when I put that piece of foil in the box it started unfolding and flattened out. Then I got to playing with it. I would fold it or crease it and lay it down and watch it. It was kind of weird. The piece I found was a jagged piece. I couldn’t tear it. Hell, tin foil or lead foil is easy but I couldn’t tear it. I didn’t take pliers or anything. I just used my fingers. I didn’t try to cut it with my knife. The colour was consistent through the pieces I found. It was a dull color [and the same on both sides]. It was about the gauge of lead foil. Thicker than tin foil. It was pliable. Real pliable. I would bend it over and crease it and if you straighten back up, there would be a crinkle in it. Nothing. It would flatten out and it was just as smooth as ever. Not a crinkle or anything in it. [It didn’t make a sound.] …As best as I can remember, it was smooth. I wasn’t intrigued with any part of it until I discovered the foil and what it would do. Then I got to looking at the rest of it.”

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Sally Strickland Tadolini: w04 (Daughter of Marian Strickland, age 9 in 1947)

(Pflock, FUFOR, from affidavit 9/27/93): “What Bill [Brazel Jr.] showed us was a piece of what I still think as fabric. It was something like aluminum foil, something like satin, something like well-tanned leather in its toughness, yet was not precisely like any one of those materials. While I do not recall this with certainty, I think the fabric measured about four by eight to ten inches. Its edges, where were smooth, were not exactly parallel, and its shape was roughly trapezoidal. It was about the thickness of a very fine kidskin glove leather and a dull metallic greyish silver, one side slightly darker than the other. I do not remember it having any design or embossing on it. Bill passed it around, and we all felt it. I did a lot of sewing, so the feel made a great impression on me. It felt like no fabric I have touched before or since. It was very silky or satiny, with the same texture on both sides. Yet when I crumpled it in my hands, the feel was like that you notice when you crumple a leather glove in your hand. When it was released, it sprang back into its original shape, quickly flattening out with no wrinkles. I did this several times, as did the others. I remember some of the others stretching it between their hands and “popping” it, but I do not think anyone tried to cut or tear it.”

(R & S 2) Bill Brazel showed that small piece of foil to others. … Brazel showed her [Tadolini] the foil, and she has the impression that it was dull in colour, maybe Gray, and that it was a small piece. Brazel, according to her, balled it up in his hand and then opened his hand, letting it return to its original shape. She thought it was stiff, like aluminium foil, but that it did not seem metallic.

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Marian Strickland: w05 (Friend and neighbor of Mac Brazel)

(Video 1) “The time that he brought the sample of what he had picked up, he was at the corral. My daughter and two sons and husband were at the corral, and they saw it. My daughter says that it could be crumpled up and straighten right back out.”

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Lorreta Proctor: w06 (Friend and neighbor of Mac Brazel. Brazel visited before reporting find in Roswell.)

(Pflock, FUFOR, from affidavit 5/5/91): ” …’Mac’ [W. Brazel] said the other material on the property looked like aluminum foil. It was very flexible and wouldn’t crush or burn.”

(Video 1) “He said the stuff that looked kind of like aluminum foil, he said you’d crumple it up and then it would straighten out, it wouldn’t stay creased, it would just open out. But he couldn’t get any of it off to bring up. He said he couldn’t cut it or anything.”

(R & S1) “He was telling us about more of the other material that was so lightweight and that was crinkled up and then would fold out.”

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Phyllis Wilcox McGuire: w07 (Daughter of Roswell Sheriff George Wilcox)

(Shirkey, pp. 94-95, from letter Jan. 1996) “When I read in the Roswell paper about the Flying Saucer being found, I went into his [her father’s] office to ask about it… I asked my father if he thought the information about the saucer was true. He said: ‘I don’t know why Brazell [sic] … would come all the way in here if there wasn’t something to it.’ He said Brazell had brought in some of the material to show, and that it looked like tinfoil, (a material like aluminum foil), but when you wadded this material up it would come right back to its original shape. He felt it was an important finding and he sent deputies out to investigate.”

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Sgt. Robert Smith: w08 (Robert Smith was a member of the First Air Transport Unit, which operated Douglas C-54 Skymaster four-engine cargo planes out of the Roswell AAF.)

(F & B, interviewed 1991) “All I saw was a little piece of material. You could crumple it up, let it come out. You couldn’t crease it. One of our people put it in his pocket. The piece of debris I saw was two to three inches square. It was jagged. When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out. And when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane. It crackled when it was let out. There were no creases. …The sergeant who had the piece of material said [it was like] the material in the crates.”

(Pflock, FUFOR, affidavit 10/10/91) “All I saw was a little piece of material. The piece of debris I saw was two-to-three inches square. It was jagged. When you crumpled it up, it then laid back out; and when it did, it kind of crackled, making a sound like cellophane, and it crackled when it was let out. There were no creases.

(R & S 1) [Smith and a couple of the other sergeants discussed the nature of the cargo as they were loading the aircraft.] “We were talking about what was in the crates and so forth and he (another of the NCOs) said, ‘oh do you remember the story about the UFO? Or rather the flying saucer.’ That was what we called them back then. We thought he was joking, but he let us feel a piece and stuck it back into his pocket. Afterwards we got to talking a little bit more about it and he said he’d been out there helping clean this up. He didn’t think taking a little piece like that would matter. It was just a little piece of metal or foil or whatever it was. Just small enough to be slipped into a pocket. I think he just picked it up for a souvenir. It was foil-like, but it was stiffer than foil that we have now. In fact, being a sheet metal man, it kind of intrigued me, being that you could crumple it and it would flatten back out again without any wrinkles showing up in it. Of course we didn’t get to look at it too close because it was supposed to be top secret.”

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Mast. Sgt. Lewis (Bill) Rickett: w09 

[Bill Rickett was with the Counter Intelligence Corps based in Roswell, part of Jesse Marcel’s staff, and an assistant to CICman Sheridan Cavitt. He had an opportunity to examine some of the wreckage recovered from the Foster (Mac Brazel’s) Ranch. He also said he escorted Dr Lincoln LaPaz, a meteor expert from the New Mexico Institute of Meteoritics, on a tour of the crash site and the surrounding area in September, 1947, in an attempt to reconstruct the speed and trajectory of the crash object.]

(R & S 1) Rickett said the foil was dull, like the back side of aluminum foil, and because it didn’t reflect the sun, it was hard to see.

(F & B) “[The material] was very strong and very light. You could bend it but couldn’t crease it. As far as I know, no one ever figured out what it was made of….”

“…LaPaz wanted to fly over the area, and this was arranged. He found one other spot where he felt this thing had touched down and then taken off again. The sand at this spot had been turned into a glass-like substance. We collected a boxful of samples of this material. As I recall, there were some metal samples here, too, of that same sort of thin foil stuff. LaPaz sent this box off somewhere for study; I don’t know or recall where, but I never saw it again. This place was some miles from the other one.”

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Lt. Jack Trowbridge: w10  “new witness” (Trowbridge is listed in the base yearbook as being with base headquarter but says he was assigned to Major Marcel’s intelligence office)

(SCI FI Video Testimony)[1]dead link Well on this particular evening we were having bridge at Major Marcel’s home. … All of intelligence was there playing bridge, except Jesse. He was out with a pickup gathering his junk in the debris field. So when he came in it was fairly late, I believe. And we broke up the bridge game then to go out and see what Jesse brought in. And it was of great interest.

It was aluminum in appearance. There were fragments of aircraft skin, or whatever the thing was, and also some girders with pictures of hieroglyphic-like things on it. I took them to be owls (?), but who knows? Anyhow, it was interesting. I did get to handle the material. And the material had some peculiar properties. For instance, it looked like Hershey bar wrappings. But you squeeze it up in your hand as hard as you could, let go, and it returned originally to the original shape—instantly!

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Staff Sgt. Earl V. Fulford: w11 New Witness (Roswell 603rd Air Engineering Squadron, aircraft mechanic. Said he was assigned to work detail, perhaps on July 9 or 10, 1947, to clean up a debris field along with 15 to 20 other men.)

(C & S, pp. 105-107)[2]Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell “…Armed MPs ringed the site …We knew from the day before that something had crashed up there, so we figured this must have been the crash site.” (Not much debris remained scattered over “hundreds of yards.” He found only 7 pieces. They were to ‘police-up’ the site and put anything they found in burlap bags that was “not natural.”) “I picked up small, silvery pieces of metallic debris, the largest of which was triangular in shape, about 3 to 4 inches wide by 12 to 15 inches long. It looked like thin, light, aluminum foil that flexed slightly when I picked it up, but once in the palm of your hand, you could wad it up into a small ball. Then, when you let it go, it would immediately assume its original shape in a second or two. I thought to myself, ‘Hey, this is neat. I’m going to keep a piece for myself.’ But they searched us thoroughly when we got back to make damned sure none of us had anything. Nobody picked up anything of size. We didn’t see any other type of debris or pieces of debris with writing on them, and we didn’t see any bodies. We also did not see any balloons or balloon material. They launched weather balloons from in between barracks where I lived back on the base every day. I was familiar with them, and the debris wasn’t from one of those.”

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Interview UFO Hunters: w12 (aired 4/9/09; 6:00 into video) New, 2010!  

“[We] picked up some debris of very unusual shape and feel and appearance… We picked up some material here [debris field] in a one square mile area… [for] the bigger part of a day. [a fan-shaped area spreading out over one square mile] …The vehicles all drove up and like formed a circle. We started walking in one direction. We went about 10, 12, 15 [feet] apart where you could see what I could see and I could see what you could see, so we weren’t missing anything. Well, I’d seen some type of material or metal or something that looked sort of like aluminum. It was shreds and pieces. …My personal experience was great surprise when I picked up a piece and I wadded it up to put in my bag, and before you could get it there it came back to its original shape. And I took it out and wadded it up again and same thing. …I would say I picked up 10, 12, maybe 15 pieces, but once it went into those bags, we never seen it again. [Who took possession of the bags?] They were military police. …They told me up there if I showed anyone or told anyone, I was in deep trouble. (see also Fulford’s multi-saucer sighting over Roswell base late June or early July 1947)

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Interview, Open Minds forum: w13 (2/10/08, 26:20 into interview)

“…we lined across an area–I’d say eight or nine hundred feet wide—and walked through in a straight line so that you could always see the man on your left and the man on your right, and picked up everything that was there that didn’t look like it belonged there. We did pick up some shreds of some kind of material that was one of the most unique things I ever saw, because you could pick it up—it looked like aluminum foil—didn’t appear to have any weight whatsoever—and you could fold it up and wad it up and lay it down and it would just return to its original position. It felt more like a cloth, but it looked metallic.. It was about like bending cardboard. You bend a piece of cardboard and it might come back out a little. But this would come back in a perfect, flat position with no crease marks or no damage left whatsoever. …I would say my attitude was, ‘Man, what kind of stuff is this? I never seen anything like this before.’ And that was the general consensus of everybody.”

(Asked about thickness) “…it never occurred to me to check for thickness or anything, but it had the appearance of being something thicker than it really was—I can say that. (Asked if it was as thin as cigarette package foil, as described by other witnesses) I would agree with that… I didn’t explain it that way, but I felt that it was very light with almost no weight, no noticeable weight… you can pick up a pencil and feel some weight. But the pieces I picked up, I don’t remember feeling any weight.”

(Size, shapes, and edges) “Everything we picked up was in like shreds, like you’d just take a sheet of paper and cut the edge off at an angle and maybe cut one in a square, …all different shapes like you just took up like a newspaper and tore it up in shreds and threw it down. (Later, asked about edges) …everything I’d seen was in a straight line. It looked like it had been ripped off of a larger piece… I didn’t see anything jagged. There was a horizontal edge on everything I seen. …they weren’t uniform. You’d have a three-cornered strip and an almost square piece. Nothing in round circles, nothing like that. And I don’t remember anything torn like in an arc or anything like that. Everything had straight lines in one shape or the other.”

(Asked about possible makings or scorch marks) “I don’t remember anything like that. In my mind, this could have happened from something exploding, or something like that. Now what I picked up wasn’t discoloured in any way and reminded me very much of aluminum foil.”

(Quantity of material he picked up) “I would guess a half a dozen pieces, maybe as many as 8 or 10.”

(Asked if it looked like modern aluminized Mylar plastic) “I would say it looked similar.”

(Asked about temperature in desert sun) “I don’t remember any temperature to it. There may have been. You know, anything you pick up in that country has got a given amount of temperature. That’s something that never occurred to me. If it had been real hot, you know, I would have commented about it or if it had been ash (?) cold I would have, but it was just an ambient temperature.”

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Staff Sgt. Milton Sprouse: w14 ‘new witness’

(Roswell 830th Bomb Squadron, B-29 aircraft mechanic & crew chief. One of the original 509th Bomb Wing members from 1944. Stayed at Roswell until 1956. Said he and his B-29 crew returned to Roswell on the night of July 7, 1947. Five men on his crew were sent out to clean up debris field.)

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San Diego Union-Tribune: w15 (10/26/2007)

About 500 soldiers sent to the crash site were lined shoulder to shoulder and ordered to scour the property for debris. “They lined them up and then said, ‘We want you to go through this ranch the way you’re facing until we tell you to stop, and we want you to pick up everything unnatural. When my crew got back (from the crash site), we talked for weeks. They told me everything and I believe them…. They told me, ‘Milt, it’s true.’ ” Among the material discovered was a malleable, foil-like material that could be laid flat with no creases after being squashed into a ball.

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North County Times: w16 (San Diego, Riverside 9/30/2007)

…hundreds of men from the 509th were taken to the crash site and told to walk shoulder-to-shoulder through the field, looking for debris pieces. Sprouse himself did not go because he was told he was needed for Dave’s Dream [his B-29], but five men from his ground crew went to the ranch. “They said it was out of this world,” Sprouse said about what the crew reported finding. Among the objects it reported seeing was a metallic foil that, when crumpled, unfolded without a crease.

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Larry Rowlette: w17 ‘New Witness

(Son of Sgt. Homer G. Rowlette, Jr. of the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron at Roswell. His father told son Larry and daughter Carlene Green about the “crash of a flying saucer” on his deathbed in March 1988. Larry Rowlette said his father was part of the cleanup detail sent to the impact site north of Roswell. There were also two other sites near Corona, N.M.)

(C & S, p. 199)[3]Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell [His father had handled the material which he described as] “thin foil that kept its shape.”

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Brig. General. Arthur Exon: w18

[Exon was stationed at Wright Field at the time of the crash. From 1964-69 he was the Commanding Officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, where crash material was taken in 1947. He said he never saw the actual crash material, but was told the result of testing by other personnel involved.]

[RUCU] “…couldn’t be easily ripped or changed …you could change it. You could wad it up, you could change the shape, but it was still there and … there were other parts of it that were very thin but awfully strong and couldn’t be dented with heavy hammers and stuff like that… which at the time were causing some people some concern… again, say it was a shape of some kind, you could grab this end and bend it, but it would come right back. It was flexible to a degree.”

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June Crain: w19

(Crain was employed at Wright Field/Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio, from 1943 through 1952. Crain recalled that she saw and handled the following metallic debris in either 1951 or 1952 at Wright Field. Although it is not clear that the this debris is directly related to the 1947 Roswell event or some other event, the testimony is that the metal came from a spacecraft in New Mexico. The testimony is therefore included because of Crain’s position and the similarity of the description to that of others. Links to the full interview and documentation of her employment can be found at majesticdocuments.com)

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Interview by James E. Clarkson: w20 (June 27, 1997)

“He [Lt. Rose or Cpt. Wheeler] walked in. …He threw it on my desk, and it was a piece, well it was a piece [about the size of a business card?] Yeah, about that size, and a half of this. …it was bent like this. And he says, ‘June, you’re good. Tear that thing apart, break that up.’ and I took it and I bent it and I twisted it and I laid it back down, and it went …right back to the same shape. I got back to my desk and he said, ‘cut it. Cut it. Trying cutting it.’ …I got my scissors out and I snipped at it., and you know there was no way I could even cut that piece of metal. And it was as light as a feather. I had it in my hand and I couldn’t –I would say that it didn’t weigh as much as these two cards — it wasn’t that heavy. It was so light but strong, and it was [fairly thick]. But it had no weight at all, it was like a feather. And so strong. It was sort of a greyish, gun metal type of colour, and you could see that on the inside that there was a different coating on the outside of it. Both sides were the same and the insides seemed to have a sort of a lead-coloured, light lead-coloured center to it. [Were the edges even or like part of something else?] It was even, all even and I said ‘what is it?’ He said, ‘it’s a piece of a space ship.’ …He said, ‘I just came back from New Mexico and I brought it back with me.'”

“I’ve never seen [anything like it since]. I always look at things, metal things and I still have that curiosity, because it still bothers me and I have yet to see anything that would have those properties and looks like that. And so light! [Was it slightly v-shaped, in a very slight curve?] Sort of a curve. …it was practically indestructible. I even took the edge of the scissors and laid it on … like this, and I whacked it like this, and I couldn’t even make a dent in it. Just nothing. Cause he said tear it up, so I tried every thing I could to tear it up, and I couldn’t tear it up. I couldn’t make a dent in it; I couldn’t make a mark on it.”

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Charles Schmid: w20

(Roswell resident who said he heard rumours about the crash and went to take a look.)

(Video 1) “There was some material that looked just like tinfoil, but quite strong. You could writhe it up in your hand and it would just straighten out, no kinks, no nothing, it would just straighten out by itself.”

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Paul Price: w21 New witness

(A Roswell resident, he said he and his older brother had heard about the crash of a flying saucer north of town and went to take a look.)

(C & S, p. 50)[4]Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell “We knew most of the ranchers, so it wasn’t long before we got to the right spot. There were so many parts for as far as you could see. Some of the pieces just snapped back in your hands when you bent them.”

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Frankie Dwyer Rowe: w22

(Frankie Rowe, age 12 in 1947, is the daughter of Roswell fireman, Dan Dwyer, who allegedly was at the main saucer crash site with other members of the fire department and members of the Roswell police department. The foil she saw was allegedly later shown at the Roswell fire station to some of the firemen and herself by a state trooper.)

(R & S 2) Frankie Rowe talked of foil that, when crumpled into a ball, would unfold itself with a fluid motion.

(R & S 2, Paperback edition, affidavit 11/22/93): “In early July 1947, I was in the fire house waiting for my father to take me home. A State Trooper arrived and displayed a piece of metallic debris that he said he’d picked up on the crash site. It was a dull gray and about the thickness of aluminum foil. When wadded into a ball, it would unfold itself. The fire fighters were unable to cut or burn it.”

(Video 2) [Referring to state trooper] “And he pulled his hand out of his pocket and he had a piece of the material wadded up in his hand in a little tiny ball. When he dropped it on the table it spread out like it was liquid or quicksilver, and there was not one wrinkle in that. I do remember that we all got to touch it, we all got to pick it up. You could bend it, it made no crinkle, no noise. It was very shiny, very silvery color, maybe about a foot square. I have no idea what happened to it.”

(Pflock) [As she waited, a state police officer came in and said he wanted to show the firemen something.] “He took his hand out of his pocket and he dropped what he had in his fist on the table. He said it was something he picked up out at the crash site. It looked like quicksilver when it was on the table, but you could wad it up. [It was] a little larger than . . . [his] hand. It had jagged edges” [and it was a dull grayish-silver color.] “You couldn’t feel it in your hand. It was so thin that it felt like holding a hair . . . It wasn’t anything you’d ever seen before. It flowed like quicksilver when you laid it on the table. [The firemen and the trooper] tried to tear it, cut it and burn it. It wadded up into nothing. The state cop said he’d gotten away with just this one small piece, and he said he didn’t know how long he’d be able to keep it, if the military found out.”

(FOX) “They tried to burn it, and they couldn’t burn it, and it wouldn’t catch on fire. And they took out their pocket knives and tried to cut it, and they couldn’t cut it. … I reached over and picked it up. And I played with it for about five minutes. When you would wad it up in you hand, you couldn’t feel it in your hand. You couldn’t feel you had anything there. And it would go to a size that was so small, that you’d have to look to see if it was still in your hand. And then when you’d drop it, it would spread out all over the table.

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Helen Dwyer Cahill: w23

(Older sister of Frankie Rowe. She was married and not living in Roswell in 1947.)

(R & S 2, Paperback edition, affidavit 11/22/93): “My sister, Frankie, told me about her experiences sometime in the early 1960s. Frankie told me about sitting around the table in 1947 and being threatened. My sister also mentioned seeing the material that ‘ran like water.'”

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Shirley Brazel: w24 (new witness)

(Wife of Bill Brazel Jr. Daughter-in-law of Mack Brazel)

(C & S, p. 48)[5]Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell: [There was] “stuff that would flow like water after you wadded it up in your hands.”

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Jim Ragsdale: w25

(Allegedly Ragsdale, a Roswell resident, was at the main saucer crash site just before the military arrived. He later changed stories and impeached much of his earlier testimony.)

(R & S 2) [describing some of the pieces picked up at the site] “You could take that stuff and wad it up and it would straighten itself out. [One of the pieces] You could bend it in any form, and it would stay. It wouldn’t straighten out.”

(Pflock, affidavit 12/8/98) “It wasn’t a rigid metal, but even though being thick was flexible up to a point. You could bend it and it would come right back to it’s original shape. This was also true for the lighter material scattered all over the mountain that looked like tin foil and would go back to it’s original shape when crumpled in your hand. The material of the craft itself had a sort of bronze-Gray colour. There were not rivets, seams or indication of how it had been constructed.”

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Philip Croft: w26 New witness

(A new witness uncovered by Roswell resident and Roswell researcher Don Burleson and his wife Mollie, the anonymous “Croft” claimed Mack Brazel still had a piece of indestructible foil in 1951 and showed it to a hunting party. According to Burleson, Croft “lived in Corona, NM, and was employed by the Highway Department, working on roads around Vaughn, Corona, and Carrizozo. He and his friends used to go deer hunting on land near Corona. One day in November of 1951 one of his two hunting companions was Mack Brazel, whom he and a friend had met at the bar in Corona.”)

(Burleson, Nov. 2002) …On the day in question, the hunting party was out in the prairie southeast of Corona near the spot where Brazel had parked his truck. Brazel suddenly seemed a bit nervous for some reason. He looked toward his truck and said, “I want to show you boys something.” Going to the truck and opening the door, he pulled an odd object out from behind the seat.

Philip Croft has described the object as a piece of “silver-aluminum” metallic foil, “paper thin,” and about the size and shape of a dinner plate. Unfortunately he didn’t get to touch the material himself, but he had plenty of opportunity to observe it, because Brazel set the object up at the base of a pinyon tree and suggested that they fire at it-which they did-with 30.06 deer rifles from a distance of about thirty feet, an easy target for experienced deer hunters.

Mr. Croft said that when the foil was hit, it spun a considerable distance up in the air and came floating down “like Kleenex.” Upon examining the material, the men found that it showed no effects from having been hit-not even a dent, and certainly no tears or punctures.

… he asked Brazel at the time, “Didn’t the army people tell you what the stuff is?” Brazel, in characteristically colourful fashion, replied, “No, and they’re sure being a bunch of chicken****s about it.” Clearly he was still upset over the whole business, feeling put-upon by his experiences with the military, and feeling anxious that the wrong people not know of his possession of the material.


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L. D. Sparks: w27 New witness

(Rancher. He described a piece shown to him by rancher’s son Dan Richards a few years after the incident, which Richards had retrieved off the debris field before the miltary had arrived.)

(C & S, p. 52)[6]Carey & Schmitt, Witness to Roswell [Dan Richards had him toss a thin piece of foil-like material in the air as he fired a rifle at it.] Shot after shot just ricocheted off of it. I would crumble the piece into a ball and watch in amazement as it would unfold as it floated through the air.”

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Major. Ellis Boldra: w28

(Boldra, an engineer, allegedly found samples of the crash debris in a safe in the Roswell AFB engineering department in 1952. Testimony is second-hand from son and friends.)

(R & S 2 description) When crumpled, it [a thin metal sample] quickly returned to its original shape. …Boldra subjected the sample to a number of tests. It was thin, incredibly strong, and dissipated heat in some manner. Boldra used an acetylene torch on the material, which didn’t melt and barely got warm. It didn’t glow when heated, and once the flame was removed, it could be handled in seconds. Boldra tried to cut it with a variety of tools and failed. No one remembers if he tried to drill through it. One of Boldra’s friends said that it wasn’t any type of metal that he could identify.

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Dr. Robert Sarbacher: w29

[Sarbacher was a physicist and industrial scientist who acted as a consultant with the U.S. Department of Defense Research and Development Board (RDB). In numerous interviews, dating back to 1950 (e.g., see Wilbert Smith in Miscellaneous testimony), he claimed to have been on advisory boards dealing with crashed saucers, and that they and dead aliens did indeed exist.]

(From Whitley Strieber’sBreakthrough,1995; phone interview 1986; in an e-mail, Strieber wrote the “quote” is from memory of the conversation, but fairly accurately representation of what he was told)

“That fabric we obtained at Roswell had molecular welds so small you couldn’t even identify what they were until the sixties, when the microscopes to do it became available. …What I can be certain about is that it was not produced by any technology we were aware of in 1947, or now.”

(From letter to William Steinman, 11/29/83) “About the only thing I recall at this time is that certain materials reported to have come from flying saucer crashes were extremely light and very tough. I am sure our laboratories analyzed them very carefully.”

More about: Robert Sarbacher (The Wilbert Smith Papers)



Albert Bruce Collins: w30 (Allegedly analyzed debris at Berkeley in 1947)

(SR#6) “As best as I can recall, it was a dull finish metal on the one side like aluminum and very shiny on the other side. It was thin and very light. It could be flexed but not dented on impact. We could not separate its metals through any assay we knew of. It was fire and cold resistant. Could not be cut or punctured. Some pieces were big with slight curvature to them. Other pieces were very small. One piece was very big and about one inch thick. It was jagged, like it had been part of a structure that had been hit by high explosives. It had burn marks but no scratches, which was very odd. You could fold it and it would extend back to its original shape.”

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Walt Whitmore (Jr.): w31 (1979: Son of ‘KGFL’ Roswell Radio Station Owner)

(F & B) “[It was] very much like lead foil in appearance but could not be torn or cut at all. Extremely light in weight.”

(B & M, 1979) …He did see some of the wreckage brought into town by the rancher. His description was that it consisted mostly of a very thin but extremely tough metallic foil-like substance. …He added that the largest piece of material that he saw was about four or five inches square, and that it was very much like lead foil in appearance but could not be torn or cut at all. It was extremely light in weight.

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“Reluctant” Walt Whitmore (Jr.): w32 (1992: Note: Whitmore’s change in testimony between 1979 and 1992)

(Pflock, interview 1992) “Most of what I found was white, linen-like cloth with reflective tinfoil attached to one side. . . . Most of the pieces were no larger than four or five inches on a side, although I found one or two about the size of a sheet of typing paper . . .One of the larger pieces of foiled cloth, measuring about 8 by 12 inches, had writing on the cloth side. Someone had used a pencil to do some figuring, arithmetic. There were no words, only numbers. I did not see any writing or marking on any of the other debris. I collected some of the foiled cloth material, including the piece with the writing on it, and a few of the sticks, filled a large, 9 by 12, envelope with it . . . I still have the material I collected on the ranch site in July 1947 . . . in a safe and secure place.”

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Jason Kellahin: w33

(Kellahin was an Associated Press reporter in Albuquerque in 1947 and was ordered to Roswell to interview rancher Mac Brazel following the release of the Army Air Force press release about the capture of a flying disc. On his way to Roswell, he claims to have taken a detour to Brazel’s ranch, interviewed Brazel, and seen balloon debris. For various reasons, including impossible time constraints, there is good reason to doubt that he ever made it there. Possibly Kellahin confused another, more-accessible crash site much closer to the main highway with the remote debris field at Brazel’s place.)

(Pflock, affidavit 9/20/93) “There was quite a lot of debris on the site — pieces of silver coloured fabric, perhaps aluminized cloth. Some of the pieces had sticks attached to them. I thought they might be the remains of a high-altitude balloon package, but I did not see anything, pieces of rubber or the like, that looked like it could have been part of the balloon itself. The way the material was distributed, it looked as though whatever it was from came apart as it moved along through the air.

More about: Jason Kellahin 



Bessie Brazel Schreiber: w34

(F & B) “[The material resembled] a sort of aluminum-like foil. …[There was also] a piece of something made out of the same metal-like foil that looked like a pipe sleeve. About four inches across and equally long, with a flange on one end.”

(Pflock, USAF, from affidavit, 9/22/93): “…The pieces were small, the largest I remember measuring about the same as the diameter of a basketball. Most of it was a kind of double-sided material, foil-like on one side and rubber-like on the other. Both sides were grayish-silver in color, the foil more silvery than the rubber. …The foil-rubber material could not be torn like ordinary aluminum foil can be torn…”

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Charles B. Moore: w35

(On-scene Mogul Project Head Engineer. Moore never saw the actual crash debris.)

(B & M, interview 1980) C.B. Moore’s description of a Rawin target device, of which he had seen and handled many, was also important in that it strongly reinforced the belief that anyone finding such “flimsy foil and balsa-wood material” would have had great difficulty in confusing it with anything out of the ordinary.

(USAF description) [The radar reflectors] were made up of aluminum “foil” or foil-backed paper, balsa wood beams that were coated in an “Elmer’s-type glue to enhance their durability…

(USAF, 1994 Interview, Attach. 23)

Q: Is there any type of material from that project that you can think of that would be pliable, would be bendable, but could not be torn?

A: … But this [radar reflector material], in the B models [flown in 1947 and 1948] was more like an aluminum foil with a heavy laminated paper. So the material they talk about, I think, was derived from some version of this.

Q: They talk in terms of the material, being able to crumple it and releasing it, and it would unfold itself and not leave any creases. This material looks like it would almost be like aluminum foil, would crease and remain creased.

A: It does have this paper laminate, and the paper, I think, was a bit tougher on the earlier thing [radar reflector model]. But I have no explanation for the fact that it couldn’t be bent with a sledgehammer, as one of the people said, and couldn’t be …

Q: Burned?

(USAF, Interview) [On the question of whether the radar reflectors used aluminized mylar]

(Moore): … here is a communication between [Robert] Todd and a Warrant Officer [Irving] Newton, who identified things in General Ramey’s office.

Q: It says a material like mylar. Do you have any knowledge of when that term came into use? Mylar is a polyethylene, it’s a metallized polyethylene.

A: It’s not really a polyethylene, it’s a polyturpoline . . . [Note: the Mogul launches starting July 3, 1947 used polyethylene balloons.]

Q: I’m not a chemist.

A: It’s really quite a different thing. We certainly got involved with mylar balloons in General Mills around 1950 or 1951.

Q: Nothing that early, though.

A: I think not. It was really quite a new plastic. This is mylar. As you can see from the appearance, it’s really quite different than polyethylene. It’s non-extensible [mylar], where this really stretches [polyethylene]. This scatters light [polyethylene] and this doesn’t [mylar]. We have flown mylar balloons and mylar balloons vacuum coated with aluminum, but I think we didn’t fly any in this era. It would be my guess that someone is sort of confusing this with later things. There were a lot of mylar balloons carried on rockets, and it was called Jim’s sphere. Someone named Jim came up with the idea of increasing the turbulence around a following sphere by putting a little protuberance, little combs out on it. That was Jim’s sphere. A lot of them were flown to measure winds in the low ionosphere, flown on rockets, from White Sands. They could well have fallen, but to by memory, it would have been anachronistic, out of times.

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Warrant Officer Irving Newton: w36

(Newton was the weather officer called in to identify the crash debris at Gen. Ramey’s press conference on July 8, 1947, and is not a direct witness to what happened in Roswell. Marcel and Ramey’s chief of staff Gen. Thomas Dubose said the “real” Roswell debris brought by Marcel was swapped with a tattered weather balloon and Rawin foil radar target.)

(B & M, questioning Newton in July 1979 Interview)

Q: But wouldn’t the people at Roswell have been able to identify a balloon on their own?

A: They certainly should have. It was a regular Rawin sonde. They must have seen hundreds of them.

Q: Can you describe the fabric? Was it easy to tear?

A: Certainly. You would have to be careful not to tear it. The metal involved was like an extremely thin Alcoa wrap. It was very flimsy.

More about: Irving Newton 



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Lt. Walter G. Haut: ‘Roswell’ base public information officer “deathbed” affidavit.

Lt. Walter G. Haut Roswell base public information officer “deathbed” affidavit to seeing spacecraft & bodies

This page was last updated: September 24, 2015

Walter Haut was the public information officer at Roswell base during the Roswell incident of July 1947. In interviews dating back to the 1980s, he said he was mostly out-of-the-loop. His basic story was that on the morning of July 8, base commander Col. William Blanchard had dictated to him a press release that they had obtained a flying disc from a nearby ranch and were flying it on to “higher headquarters.” He said he thought the original press release was the truth and he was convinced “the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space.” (1993 affidavit) He was pretty sure Blanchard must have seen the debris before issuing the press release and said Blanchard would never make a mistake of confusing the recovered material with a weather balloon..

Haut, who lived in Roswell, became one of the most interviewed and public Roswell witnesses and key advocate of a saucer crash, yet continued to publicly disclaim personal knowledge of the debris or of the actual craft and recovered bodies as reported by other witnesses.

However, Haut’s on-the-record public statements differed from some of his private ones. E.g., Robert Shirkey Jr., son of Robert Shirkey, base assistant operations officer, disclosed on a recent Art Bell show that Haut told his father, a good friend, about seeing the bodies clear back in 1989. Shirkey Jr., said his father also told him this in 1989. (Art Bell show, June 30, 2007, 3rd hour) Shirkey Sr. in his 1991 affidavit also hinted at this when he stated “I learned later that… the bodies were laid out in Hanger 84.” An excerpt of Shirkey Jr.’s comments about being told of the bodies are below, including statements about the character of the men involved, whom he knew personally, having grown up in Roswell. (See 2 minutes into clip for body comments.)

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On UFO Updates on November 17, 2007, Kevin Randle also wrote that a man he interviewed in the mid-1990s, 1st Lt. Richard C. Harris, Jr., said that he met Haut near a base hangar and Haut told him at that time about seeing a dead alien body. Harris said Haut suggested he take a quick look, but Harris decided against this. (Harris, the base asst. financial officer, also said he helped cover up the paper trail of expenses involved in the recovery.)

Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt also remark how Haut commonly dropped hints that he knew more than he was letting on to. Haut’s common closing remarks in public appearances or in interviews was, “It wasn’t any type of weather balloon. I believe it was a UFO! Just don’t ask me why!

Haut started to become more publicly forthcoming in 2000. He gave a lengthy recorded oral history with researchers Wendy Connors and Dennis Balthauser, people he knew well and trusted. Haut stipulated the interview was not to be released until after his death. (Haut died in December 2005). In the interview (transcript) Haut first disclosed he saw the craft and small bodies in one of the hangars. He also disclosed that Gen. Roger Ramey, one of the architects of the weather balloon cover-up, had flown in for the staff morning meeting on July 8, and helped decide on how to deal with the situation. (Wendy Connors in private email, told me that Haut was already telling her privately about Ramey and knowing something about the bodies even before this interview.)

In December 2002, Haut filled out a notarized affidavit (immediately below), that was sealed and again not to be publicly disclosed until after his death. A copy first appeared in the June 2007 book Witness to Roswell by Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, released with permission of Haut’s surviving family.

New Nov. 2008! Schmitt and Haut’s daughter Julie Shuster afterwards revealed that the affidavit was drafted by Schmitt, with Haut’s approval, after years of conversations with Haut. Haut then carefully reviewed Schmitt’s emailed draft for accuracy, both privately and with Shuster present. He made no changes before signing in front of Shuster, a notary, and an outside witness. According to Schmitt, a doctor had just reviewed the status of Haut’s health and judged him to be of sound mind. For Shuster’s detailed comments in the September MUFON Journal 2007 about the process behind the affidavit,[1]click here. How Walter Haut’s affidavit was written, reviewed, and signed

  In the affidavit, Haut again said that he had seen the crash object and bodies in a hangar (Hangar 84 or P-3). Col. Blanchard, a close friend his entire life, made a point of taking him out there.

  Haut also disclosed new information, such as personally handling the debris during the morning meeting, which he said was unlike anything he or anyone else there had ever seen before, going out to one of the crash sites (probably the large Foster Ranch debris field) and bringing debris back to his office. He also revealed that the second main crash site with the object and bodies was about 40 miles north of Roswell and had been found by civilians on July 7. He first became aware of both crash sites by the afternoon of Monday, July 7, after returning to duty from the 4th of July weekend.

  A key topic of discussion at the morning meeting was how to deal with the situation, since members of the press and public already knew something was going on. Haut gave insight into the reasoning behind Blanchard’s perplexing flying disc press release which Haut delivered to the local Roswell media. Gen. Ramey wished to divert attention away from the more important craft/body site by acknowledging the remoter, less accessible debris site, but providing few details. Haut believed Ramey was acting under direction of his superiors at the Pentagon. It was discussed whether to tell the public the full truth, but this was decided against, and thus began a cover-up that continues to this day.

  Haut also mentioned being aware of teams sent out to both sites for months afterwards to search for any remaining evidence. This provided some corroboration for Bill Brazel’s story (son of rancher Mack Brazel) of having debris samples confiscated from him by such a team a few months later.

  Haut is far from alone in his claims to seeing alien bodies, a spacecraft or strange debris. Click on the links at the top for other such accounts about non-human bodies or strange debris, such as Frederick Benthal and Eli Benjamin, two other military alien body eyewitnesses. The write-up on mortician Glenn Dennis has numerous other mostly second-hand accounts. A number of these center around base Hangar 84 or P-3 mentioned by Haut, where crash debris, craft, and bodies were taken for processing and shipment. The heavily guarded B-29 crate flight to Fort Worth on July 9, the day after Haut’s viewing of the bodies/craft in the hangar, is strongly suspected of carrying bodies. See also my review of the Carey/Schmitt book  (‘Witness to Roswell‘) for an overview of the accounts.

According to Carey & Schmitt, Haut waited until the end of his life to reveal this information because he had promised Col. Blanchard to not disclose it while he was alive. Haut may have had another personal reason. He was well-aware how other major Roswell witnesses had been savaged by debunkers, a prime example being Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer. By initially denying direct knowledge of the more controversial aspects about Roswell, Haut would be denying critics a convenient target. However, with Haut’s now-public interview and affidavit confessing to being an eyewitness to the debris, spacecraft, and bodies, he will no doubt be attacked as a liar who changed his story, a senile old man, or even worse.

Haut’s “deathbed” affidavit is sure to stir up a huge heated controversy. Once a public figure like Haut states that there really was a flying saucer crash and alien bodies and he saw it with his own eyes, there is never any returning to the quiet life.

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Updated: September 24, 2015 | Article Title:Lt. Walter G. Haut Roswell base public information officer "deathbed" affidavit to seeing spacecraft & bodies | Article Link: roswellproof.homestead.com


1 click here. How Walter Haut’s affidavit was written, reviewed, and signed


(1) My name is Robert Shirkey

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am ( ) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air field with the rank of 1st Lieutenant. I served as the assistant flight safety officer and was assigned to base operations for the 509th Bomb Group.

(5) During that period, the call a B-29 ready to go as soon as possible. Its destination was to be Fort Worth, on orders from the base commander, Col. Blanchard. I was in the Operations Office when Col. Blanchard arrived. He asked if the aircraft was ready. When he was told it was, Blanchard waved to somebody, and approximately five people came in the front door, down the hallway and on to the ramp to climb into the airplane, carrying parts of what I heard was the crashed flying saucer.

(6) At this time, I asked Col. Blanchard to turn sideways so I could see what was going on. I saw them carrying what appeared to be pieces of metal; there was one piece that was 18 x 24 inches, brushed stainless steel in color. I also saw what was described by another witness as an I-beam and markings.

(7) Several days later, a B-25 was scheduled to take something to Ft. Worth. This was the second flight during this period: the third was a B-29 piloted by Oliver W. “Pappy” Henderson directly to Wright-Patterson.

(8) I learned later that a Sergeant and some airmen went to the crash site and swept up everything, including bodies. The bodies were laid out in Hanger 84. Henderson’s flight contained all that material.

(9) All of those involved–the Sergeant of the Guards, all of the crewmen, and myself–were shipped out to different bases within two weeks.

(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Robert Shirkey
30 April 1991

Signature witnessed by:
Lupe V. Sandoval

[Note later added by Shirkey] Ref: #9: I have learned since making the statement #9 that, while I was aware of several people being “shipped out” on change of station, not everyone actually were that may have been involved with the incident aftermath.

Source: Published: 1994 | Author: Karl Pflock | Article Title: Roswell in Perspective | Article Link: abebooks.com


(1) My name is Walter Haut

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am retired.

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air base serving as the base Public Information Officer. At approximately 9:30 AM on July 8, I received a call from Col. William Blanchard, the base commander, who said he had in his possession a flying saucer or parts thereof. He said it came from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and that the base Intelligence Officer, Major Jesse Marcel, was going to fly the material to Fort Worth.

(5) Col. Blanchard told me to write a news release about the operation and to deliver it to both newspapers and the two radio stations in Roswell. He felt that he wanted the local media to have the first opportunity at the story. I went first to KGFL, then to KSWS, then to the Daily Record and finally to the Morning Dispatch.

(6) The next day, I read in the newspaper that General Roger Ramey in Fort Worth had said the object was a weather balloon.

(7) I believe Col. Blanchard saw the material, because he sounded positive about what the material was. There is no chance that he would have mistaken it for a weather balloon. Neither is their any chance that Major Marcel would have been mistaken.

(8) In 1980, Jesse Marcel told me that the material photographed in Gen. Ramey’s office was not the material he had recovered.

(9) I am convinced that the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space.

(10) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Walter G. Haut

Signature witnessed by:
M. Littell (?)

Source: Published: 1994 | Author: Karl Pflock | Article Title: Roswell in Perspective | Article Link: abebooks.com


1.0: Document: 2002 SEALED AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER G. HAUT ‘Published 2007’  Link: Affidavit Author: Walter Haut Taken: 2002

2002 SEALED AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER G. HAUT ‘Roswell’ ‘Published 2007’

DATE: December 26, 2002
WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx
NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan

(1) My name is Walter G. Haut

(2) I was born on June 2, 1922

(3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203

(4) I am retired.

(5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

(6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard’s boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and “hide out.”

(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard’s office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

(15) I was informed that the wreckage was not “hot” (radioactive).

(16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey’s office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

(19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.

(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Walter G. Haut
December 26, 2002

Signature witnessed by:
Chris xxxxxxx

Source: Published: 2007 | Author: Tom Carey & Donald Schmitt | Article Title: Witness to Roswell | Article Link: amazon.com


1.0: Document: 1993 AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER HAUT  Link: Affidavit Author: Walter Haut Taken: 1993