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Hersey Watch: Hillsong Worship Pastor’s Evolution is undeniable

Joel Houston

Joel Houston

Hillsong Church has, over the years, hardly avoided the limelight, often finding itself at the center of hotly-contested debates

Now one of its biggest leaders is running headlong into the creation debate.

Joel Houston,  eldest son of the Sydney-based church’s founders, lead musician in the worship band Hillsong United, and co-pastor of Hillsong Church in New York City, tweeted Monday that “evolution is undeniable.”

Houston is certainly not the first to raise questions about the six-day creation story outlined in Genesis, but the affirmation of evolutionary theory nevertheless remains controversial in many — if not most — Christian circles today.

In 2014, Christian musician Michael Gungor stirred up controversy for a blog post he actually wrote in 2012 in which he explained he had “no more ability” to believe 

“that the first people on earth were a couple named Adam and Eve that lived 6,000 years ago.”

He continued, according to Relevant:

I have no ability to believe that there was a flood that covered all the highest mountains of the world only 4,000 years ago and that all of the animal species that exist today are here because they were carried on an ark and then somehow walked or flew all around the world from a mountain in the Middle East after the water dried up.

Gungor defended his claims at the time during an interview with Mike McHargue, co-host of “The Liturgists Podcast,” saying that, though he was raised to hold a literalist or “young earth” interpretation of the creation story, he “came up against some of the science” in college. A lot of what Gungor learned, he explained, created “tension” in his theology. See Right: Study Unwittingly Uncovers Possible Major Flaw in Evolution of Species Theory

Famed young earth creationist Ken Ham, founder of the conservative nonprofit Answers in Genesis, took issue with Gungor’s admission, which he described as “outrageous.” He went on to claim the musician was “repeatedly indoctrinated into evolutionary ideas” throughout college.


So when Houston raised his own questions about theology and evolution earlier this week, Gungor chimed in: See Below

HOW DID PEOPLE RESPONDED TO HOUSTON’S CLAIMS?


How can @joelhouston call himself a worship pastor & yet hold such a heretical view of creation? The Bible says that “God created the heaven and the earth” and “on the sixth day God created man “in His own image”. Times aren’t “evolving”, our culture is decaying. See 2 Peter 3:17 — Frank Sowers (@FrankSowers) June 25, 2018




WHAT DOES HOUSTON ACTUALLY BELIEVE?

After seeing the intense reaction that arose from suggesting evolution is “undeniable,” Houston hedged a bit by offering some context  to his earlier tweet.

He asserted God is “way bigger than we think,” and regardless of one’s theological or scientific beliefs, He “is undiminished by our limitations.”

“If God’s creative process was an easy working week, or finely crafted over six-ages of millennia, does it make Him any more or less God?” Houston asked. “Or us any more or less created in His image? Either way, it was an unfathomably wonderful six-day process, however you think to see it.”


In an interview with Faithwire, Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson, a research biologist for Answers in Genesis, gave Houston the benefit of the doubt, admitting it appears the famous worship leader could still be working through his own theological beliefs because his comments on evolution are “ambiguous.”

One of Jeanson’s main criticisms of progressive thought on evolution is that, according to Scripture, death is an interruption to God’s perfect creation — a bug in the system.

But according to evolutionary theory, death isn’t a bug at all — it’s a feature, a mainstay in a process designed to elevate the fittest by eliminating the weak.

“I think the straightforward reading of the whole of Scripture, the entire corpus of Scripture treats death as an intruder into a very good, perfect creation, in which there is no death, and bloodshed, and suffering,” Jeanson explained. “It’s man’s sin that brings this to bear on the universe. God curses the universe as a result of mankind’s sin.”

Jeanson argued those who don’t hold to a literal interpretation of the creation story found in Genesis but instead see it as some sort of poetic narrative must “tolerate errors in the Scripture.” He went on to say the Genesis account is in “severe conflict” with mainstream evolutionary theory.

After delivering a lecture recently at Boston College, Jeanson recalled a student approaching him to say she “can’t believe” that certain parts of Scripture are literal and without error while others parts are fictional and inconsistent with fact.

“I can’t pick and choose, wake up every morning and pick which parts of the Bible I believe and which parts I don’t. That doesn’t make any sense to me,” he recalled the student saying, adding, “I think the next generation understands the severe importance of this issue when it comes to the foundations of the Christian faith.”

But for Gungor — and perhaps Houston — that dichotomy might not pose a problem.

As Jeanson noted, those who hold to a young earth view often see the evolutionary debate as paramount, while those who espouse an old earth perspective tend to put the issue on the back burner, though many, according to Jeanson, call into question the scientific honesty of their opponents.

Original Source: Date-stamped: June 26, 2018 - Author: By Tré Goins-Phillips Article Title: Hillsong Worship Pastor’s Evolution Comments Spark Fierce Debate Among Christians  Article Link: faithwire.com

Just as in the days of Noah …

By James Jacob Prasch
Open with me please to the gospel of Matthew, Chapter 24, and the Olivet Discourse.  When Jesus outlines what will transpire in the Last Days before he returns, he makes a very curious statement, and he warns us the Last Days will be akin to the days of Noah.  

HE TELLS US THIS:

Matthew 24:37-39 (Berean Literal Bible) “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.  “For as in those days which were before the flood they were eating and drinking, they were marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

Matthew 24:37-39 ESV 37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

The Greek text is emphatic. 

It does not simply say “as in the days of Noah” but “just as in the days of Noah.” 

Hebrew and Aramaic are languages that are different in Greek, but you do have ways to make something emphatic. 

You could say didiuke or something of this nature in Hebrew. 

Jesus would have been speaking the Hebrew dialect of Aramaic, most likely, but they translate this in the Greek making it very emphatic. 

Not that it will be “like the days of Noah” but “just like the days of Noah.” 

What happened then will be recapitulated or take place again, on a wider scale, in the Last Days eschatologically. 

JESUS GOES ON CONTINUING:

“Then there shall be two men in the field; one will be taken, and one will be left.  “Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and one will be left. “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

Matthew 24:40-42 (Berean Literal Bible)

He continues telling us all of these various things. 

He said “As in the days of Noah, they will be eating and drinking, they will be marrying and giving in marriage.” 

Notice that Jesus does not speak of things that are wrong. 

He speaks of things that are natural:  Marrying, getting married, eating, drinking, things of this nature.  He does not warn about things that are wrong. 

What he warns about, in the Last Days, are people, specifically his people, believers, Christians, his followers, becoming obsessed with temporal things. 

Now Peter, in his epistle, three times deals with Noah as a shadow of what will take place in the Last Days. 

Peter is more concerned with warning unsaved people or telling Christians how to warn unsaved people, or telling Christians what to expect when we do warn unsaved people that the Lord is coming. 

But Jesus is warning not unsaved people, he’s warning those who are believers, and he says people will be marrying, eating, drinking, being given in marriage.  The danger in the Last Days is that Christians will become obsessed with temporal things. 

Now this undercurrent is throughout his warnings in the Olivet Discourse. 

One of the dangers in the Last Days that we see happening today is when the work of the Lord becomes more important to people than the Lord of the work, where ministry itself becomes an idol. 

People are really building the empires of men under the guise of calling it building the kingdom of God. 

For instance, if God says “Get a building,” we will get a building, if God says “Get a thousand buildings,” get a thousand buildings, if God ordains it, but so many building programs today in the Church are ordained by man, not by God. 

It is men building monuments to themselves. 

Programs, projects, they actually run much of the church growth on secular management philosophy and on marketing research.  Biblical truth is compromised, even eroded, and Biblical principles are substituted by secular marketing principles, to the point where the Gospel itself becomes diluted. 

People want to build empires. 

God goes for quality, not quantity. 

Jesus knew if you had quality the quantity would come automatically.  Once you abrogate his standard and begin substituting your own, you have a problem.  The work of the Lord becomes more important than the Lord of the work.

This is what Jesus in part meant when he said “He who is in the field no return for his cloak.”  We see the cloak in the Bible often represents the mantle of authority, such as Elijah and Elisha, wanting the cloak, the mantle of authority. 

What is more important, the work of the Lord or the Lord of the work.  Are you willing to lay the ministry down? 

We can think of this in terms of the Apostle Peter fishing. 

Jesus told him “I will make you fishers of men.”  He was fishing but when the call came up, it is the Lord, he immediately dove overboard, putting on his garment. 

Now, normally one would take off their shirt to dive overboard. Peter put it on because the garment here represents what Isaiah calls the garments of salvation, or what Jesus called the wedding garment. 

He put something on to go to be with the Lord. 

He immediately left his fishing and went to be with Jesus.  That is the picture.  He was called to be a fisher of men. 

Nothing wrong with doing the ministry or the work God has called us to, but the minute the call came up “It is the Lord” he goes to be with the Lord. 

One danger in the Last Days is that the work of the Lord becomes more important than the Lord of the work. 

The result of this is people begin building their own empires instead of the Kingdom of God.

Marriage is good; it is ordained by God. 

Drinking and eating are natural things ordained by God, but what happens when such temporal concerns become the obsession of the Church. 

The best way for us to put it is “The things that are for here are not the things that we are here for.”  Satan is very keen to get Christians obsessed with temporal things, things that are not wrong, marriage, career, business, even ministry. 

These things are not wrong and could even be right, as long as God comes first, as long as we keep that focus.  But once it goes out of this focus, good things degenerate, they distract us away from the main point. 

We cannot see the forest for the trees. 

This becomes a big danger in the Last Days.  Christians becoming obsessed with temporal things.  But now, let us look at what Peter says about the days of Noah.  Peter speaks three times about the days of Noah.

 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

1 Peter 3:20 (Berean Literal Bible)

Was Noah a successful preacher? 

Numerically he wasn’t, seven people were saved, plus himself.  Eight people were saved, seven people were saved through the preaching of Noah and they were all related to him!  Numerically, he didn’t have, as it were, a big church. 

He wasn’t successful as so much of the modern church counts success, but he was faithful as God counts success because God measures success in terms of faithfulness. 

Much of the church growth movement today would say Noah was a failure; “What, seven people were saved and they were all his relatives?”  God says he was a success. 

God looks for quality, not quantity. 

Now the fact that eight people were saved, that tells us two things about the Last Days. 

THE FIRST THING IT TELLS US IS THIS:

God is in the business of saving families. 

He is in the business of saving families.  Jesus warned us that many would fall away and betray one another, parents would betray their children, children would betray parents, etc.  That will happen. 

But God’s perfect will is that whole families would be together waiting for the return of Jesus.  He is in the business of saving families.  You know, after our personal relationship with the Lord, the next most important thing in our lives as Christians is the salvation of our loved ones.  

There is nothing more important in your life or my life, after our own relationship with Jesus, than the salvation of our loved ones. 

The salvation of your wife, your husband, your parents, your children, your siblings, after your own relationship with God, there is nothing more important that the salvation of your loved ones. 

God is in the business of trying to save families. 

Now, in the Last Days, family prayer time, family Bible studies, these things become crucial. 

Even in the best of times, every Christians household, every marriage, certainly every nuclear family is to be a microcosm of the Church.  But in the Last Days, when persecution increases, in many cases, maybe eventually in most cases, that will be the only church people have.  God is in the business of saving families. 

But the second thing it tell us is, what he told Abraham from the beginning and what he repeats throughout the scriptures, and what the New Testament reiterates:

Though the sons of Israel are like the sand upon the seashore, only a remnant shall be saved.”  There was only a remnant of Jews who ultimately were saved, who repented at the preaching of the Apostles and of the Prophets, who accepted Jesus as the Messiah, who did not rebel against Moses, who did not bow the knee the Ba’al.

But the Christian Church is much the same. 

At any given time in history, throughout most of the history of the Church, true believers, truly saved, born-again Bible believing believers have only been a minority within Christendom.  The same as most of Israel was back-slidden or nominal throughout its history, most of Christianity was either back-slidden or nominal. 

Really true believers, sanctified to the Lord, either in Israel or the Church, have always been a distinct minority. 

Most of the mainstream churches and denominations are not what the Bible calls Christian.  They follow tradition, they have different ways of salvation, other than through the new birth. It is not justification by faith, or salvation by grace, it is salvation by works or by rituals or sacraments. 

This is not Biblical Christianity. 

In fact, so much of what calls itself Christian is no more Christian than the Jews who bowed the knee to Ba’al were Jews. 

Only a remnant will be saved. 

A remnant will be rescued. 

Don’t expect a lot of people to be rescued at the end.

Now the prophet Daniel speaks directly of the rescue. 

In Daniel, chapter 12, he speaks of the great tribulation of the Jews and he says there will be a rescue. 

Saint Paul writes directly of the Rapture. 

We have two Greek words for rapture in the New Testament, one is Harpazo and the other one is episunagoge, our gathering together around him or to be with Him. 

The Bible speaks plainly of the Rapture happening simultaneously with the resurrection.  Harpazo means a snatching away, but you know, the Rapture is being denied today. 

It is even being taught against. 

There is one man in England who is notorious for making false prophecies in the name of the Lord that do not happen.  His name is Gerald Coates and he actually said the Rapture is a fantasy and a myth. 

There is another man in America who similarly is notorious for making false prophecies that do not happen.  He did this in a book he wrote called “The Harvest.”  His name is Rick Joyner and he says the Rapture is of the devil. 

There was another man notorious for making false prophecies in the Lord’s name that don’t happen, from Kansas City.  His name is Mike Bickle and I once watched a video of him, speaking in England, where he actually said that Rapture of Elijah was God’s judgment on Elijah. 

These men are deceived and they are deceiving others. 

There is a rescue, there is a rapture, and the story of Noah, the epic of Noah is a picture of the Rapture.  Now, many things prefigure the Rapture in the Bible.  Every rapture experience in the Bible teaches something about the Rapture. 

Certainly, the Rapture of Enoch, the ascension of Jesus, the Rapture of Elijah, whatever happened to Saint Paul in 2nd Corinthians when he went up to heaven, all of these things typify, foreshadow the Rapture in some way. But other things foreshadow it as well. 

Certainly, the exodus of the Hebrews out of Egypt is a picture of the Rapture.  Those same judgements that we see in the book of Exodus are replayed, or again recapitulated, in the book of Revelation. 

They are commemorated to this day in the Passover Seder, the Haggadah at Passover time, still celebrated by Jewish people where you take the drops of wine corresponding to the judgements on Egypt:  hoshek, dak, dam, blood, tordiah, frogs and pestilence and so forth. 

Those same judgements happen again in the book of Revelation. 

What happened to Egypt in the book of Exodus is a microcosm of what will happen to the entire planet at the end of the age.  The way that Pharaoh’s magicians counterfeited the miracles of Moses and Aaron is the way the Antichrist and False Prophet, that is the Beast of Revelation, will counterfeit the miracles of Jesus and his witnesses. 

They brought Joseph’s bones with them out of Egypt. 

Why?  “The dead in Christ will rise first.” 

We will come out together, Joseph representing those who died in the Lord and Moses representing those were alive.  Whether you are dead in the Lord or alive, we come out together.  The Exodus is a major picture of the Rapture. 

So is the rescue of Lot and his family from Sodom, very much like the story of Noah, people coming out of tribulation. 

As it says in the book of Revelation, “These are those who have come out of the great tribulation.”  And, of course, Lot and his family thought that was the end of the world, as we read in the book of Genesis.

All of these things parallel the story of Noah in different ways and all of them together prefigure what will happen at the end of the age.

Peter continues talking about Noah and he tells us more in his second epistle, while Jesus is concerned with warning Christians, Peter is concerned with telling Christians to warn unsaved people:

[God] did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;  and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly thereafter.

2 Peter 2:5-6 (Berean Literal Bible)

He uses these two major types of the Rapture in Genesis, Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah and puts them together to explain what the end will be like.  It is often estimated that Noah preached for 120 years; that is the usual estimate given by conservative scholars. 

As he warned people, he was ignored, even mocked. 

In the Last Days the same will happen.  When we warn unsaved people, many of them, most of them, will ignore us.  Some of them will even mock when they see us going into the ark, which is a picture of the Church, the Body of Christ where the rescue is to be found … they will laugh at us.  They will not know what is happening until that day comes. 

NOW LET’S GO FURTHER:

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”  For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.  But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men.  But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.  The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

2 Peter 3:3-10 (Berean Literal Bible)

We are told in the Last Days just as Noah was mocked, Christians who warn people to repent will be mocked. 

Now we have more and more of the signs that Jesus gave of the Last Days.  We have the destruction of the environment, we have the globalization of the world economy, and we have the unification of the world’s false religious systems, through the ecumenical and interfaith movements. 

We have the countries that were in the Roman Empire re-confederating into a non-democratic Europe. 

We have a magnitude of deception in the Evangelical Church today that would have been unthinkable even 10-15 years ago.  We have current events in the Middle East, the regathering of Israel and the Jews for the Great Tribulation. 

The stage is being set for Zechariah 12, the Return of Jesus. 

We have more and more signs of the Last Days but less and less interest in the return of Christ, not just among unsaved people but among Christians.  When I was first born again, by the grace of God, in the very early 1970’s in the aftermath of the hippie era, most Christians were very concerned about the return of Christ. 

They were reading books about it, they were listening to tapes about it, and they were talking about it. 

In fact, a popular Christian greeting was “Maranatha” from the Aramaic marana tha come quickly Lord Jesus or the Lord is coming. 

Today there is far less interest in the return of Jesus than there was 30 years ago, even though we are 30 years closer to his return, and in fact the very thing that Christians hoped in, such as his return and the Rapture, are being denied, even mocked by Christians! 

We have one deception after another:  Dominionism, Post-millennialism, Kingdom Now Theology, things totally alien to the New Testament and to the thinking of the early Church becoming popular among many Christians, particularly among my fellow Charismatics and Pentecostals, but also among extreme Calvinists. 

The idea of Dominion Theology and Reconstructionism and “We are going to take over the world and conquer it for Jesus.”  Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world, not of this world. 

He is coming!

But when you see Christians mocking, how much more are unsaved people going to mock. 

When you point out world events fulfilling prophecy, some will believe; some will be convicted of sin, some will repent, some will be saved, but many will mock. 

Let’s go further.

We have a Christological statement, a statement about Christ, but it is a statement about him as Creator, that the world was prepared by the Word of God, Ho Logos, the Word, is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Ha Davar Adonai. 

This is Jesus.

Jesus is the Word who became flesh. 

The Logos became sarx in John Chapter 1 in the Greek text.  And we are told that it was formed out of water, as we read in the book of Genesis. 

It is interesting that on the periodic chart of the elements, hydrogen has the simplest atomic number and is the most common element. 

H – quite interesting. 

But the most destructive weapon in the human arsenal is the hydrogen bomb. 

H.  There is also a cobalt bomb but it is the H-bomb everyone fears the most, the H-bomb. 

The world was destroyed by H the first time and the Bible tells us the world will be destroyed by H the second time. 

In fact, the Greek word for water comes from the same word as Hydrogen, hudor, it is there. 

Let us look at what it says:  The first time by water, because it was formed out of water, the second time it will be destroyed by fire. 

Now the Greek text is very interesting in verse 9.

The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.  But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar [or a loud noise] and the elements will be destroyed.

2 Peter 3:9-10 (Berean Literal Bible)

In Greek it says the “stoicheo” will be dissolved with fire. 

Stoicheo is where we get the word for the branch of chemistry we call stoichiometry, elementary chemistry, looking at the elements on the periodic chart with their atomic number, their gram atomic weight and so forth, their valency, their relationship to each other, elemental chemistry. 

The Greeks knew about atoms, they had the word atoms, it basically meant “that which is invisible.” 

They speculated there was such a thing as atoms but they didn’t know about sub-atomic particles, they didn’t know about electrons, protons or neutrons, much less did they speculate about things like positrons or neutrinos, they did not know about subatomic particles at all, no idea. 

In fact, prior to Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, the notion you could split an atom and get explosive energy from it was absurd. 

Later on we had enriched uranium-238, they have plutonium, we have things of this nature. 

But it would have been unthinkable before the age of relativity, before Misters Einstein and Oppenheimer, to think you could split an element. Yet 2000 years ago a fisherman from Galilee not only said it is possible to dissolve and element with explosive energy, with fire, but to get enough explosive energy from that to destroy the whole world, that is what it says. 

It is no wonder the scriptures tell us that if Jesus didn’t return no flesh would be saved. 

We would wipe ourselves out. 

You know, I would not teach it as a doctrine but there is a verse in the book of  Zechariah were it says people’s eyes will be melting in their sockets and they know from the autopsies done on the people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki that is precisely what happened to people killed in a nuclear explosion. 

Their eyes melted in their skulls, in the orbits. 

Quite frightening! 

Peter actually says not only can you split an atom, as it were, dissolve a stoicheo, but you can destroy the whole earth by doing it. 

Yet, it says people will mock. 

We live in an age where things have become very tenuous. 

I grew up in the era of the Cold War. 

I was someone who originated in the New York area, in fact I was born in New Jersey but I lived in Manhattan.  I remember when I was a little boy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that Nikita Khrushchev came to the United Nations in New York and made a speech to the General Assembly. 

I was a little boy watching him on television and he took off his shoe and he began to pound his shoe on the podium at the UN, saying “We will bury you, we will bury you.”  Nikita Khrushchev was notorious for drinking vodka and within a matter of months, the Soviet Polit Bureau engineered a coup de état to depose him.  Brezhnev, Susov, Ustinov, they said “We cannot have a mad man with his finger on the button” to push the world to the brink of thermonuclear holocaust. 

In practically no time, Khrushchev was history.  They got rid of him.  You cannot allow a mad man to have his finger on the button.

There is a very interesting book called “The Final Days” about the closing weeks and months of American President Richard Nixon, during the Watergate scandal in America. 

During the Yom Kippur war, Nixon called a Stage III nuclear alert against the Soviet Union.  He was using tranquilizers and alcohol very heavily, he was lying to get himself out of the scandal and kept getting caught in the lies, and he would just drink more and take more pills. 

In this book, The Final Days, it shows how Alexander Haig and Henry Kissinger were virtually trying to keep him under control and there was a fear that he would again push the world to the brink, as it had been on the brink of the Cuban crisis, to save his neck politically, because he was half out of his mind. 

Well, his own party turned against him. 

Senior Republican senators said “We cannot support this man anymore, he is going to cost us the next election, etc.” 

The American establishment turned against him.  You cannot allow somebody who is unstable to have his or her finger on the button.  That was the thinking of Sovietism.  Now, Marxism did not work but at least it claimed to be predicated upon logic and for all the faults of Western Capitalism, there is at least a logic to it. 

This is not the mentality of the new powers who are acquiring fissionable material, weapons grade plutonium.  You see, now Pakistan and India, among other nations, have nuclear arsenals.  Hinduism believes in Karma, reincarnation. 

If you die fighting for Hinduism, in the interpretation of some Hindus, you will be reincarnated and come back as a Brahman in the next life, maybe a guru. Push the button, we believe in reincarnation, we are not afraid to die. 

There is no logic. 

You have the Hindu National Party, a major political force in India, and there are people in that party who, where they would claim to be pacifists in terms of their religion, were the most aggressive in demanding India acquire a nuclear capability to withstand Pakistan. 

Now there are fundamentalist regimes all throughout the Islamic world and there are fundamentalist Moslems in the military in Pakistan who would like to come to power and have control of that arsenal. 

Other countries, as we speak, in the Islamic world are trying to obtain nuclear weapons. 

The only assurance of salvation one can absolutely have, in Islam, is to die in a jihad, according to their writings. 

Now they have a different concept of heaven than the Biblical one, but the assurance of salvation comes from dying in a jihad. 

You see people will crash airplanes into skyscrapers, kill themselves thinking that they are being martyred in the jihad as they murder others and they are going to heaven, or their concept of heaven. 

The mentality of radical Hinduism and the mentality of radical Islam do not face the same constraints as what you see in Western Nationalism.  They are not limited in what they do because their logic, or the lack of it, doesn’t determine they have to behave that way. 

Jihad, push the button, reincarnation, push the button, I’ll come back as a Brahman,” “I’ll go to heaven.”  They are not afraid of this. 

We will get rid of a Khrushchev, we will get rid of a Nixon, they won’t get rid of their own leaders, generally speaking, unless the West removes their leaders. 

Their leaders are dangerous men, even the cruelest of regimes, even the most savage and the most guilty of human rights, be it the Taliban in Afghanistan or the Wahab in Saudi Arabia, backing the House of Saud, their own people, it does not matter. 

Civil rights, human rights, these things just don’t register. 

Neither do they register with the Caste System in India, a form of social injustice that is absolutely unspeakable. 

Western rationalism does not apply to these people.  The world is in a much more precarious state now than it was during the Cold War because the limits that will be set by logic no longer come into play in the mentality of our enemies.  The world is a much more dangerous place.  It is easy to see Peter’s prophecy coming true.

But he tells us “the Lord is wanting that none should perish but all should reach repentance.”  Some extreme Calvinists have tried to read more into this verse than it actually says.  In other words, instead of engaging in exegesis, taking out of the Bible what God put in their, they engage in eisegesis, they read things into the Bible that God did not put in there.  They say “Wanting that none should perish” simply means God does not want any of the “elect” to perish.  This is simply not what the text says.  God does not want anyone to go to hell. 

Paul tells us this in 1st Timothy, Chapter 4:10:

For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

1 Timothy 4:10 (Berean Literal Bible)

Now this affirms that God is Savior, but it also affirms that Jesus is God, he is the Savior of everyone, especially of those who believe.  Peter affirms that Jesus is the Word and the Creator, we have the deity of Christ affirmed and we have God’s own desire that all men would come to Christ affirmed.

So it was in the days of Noah.  Most people didn’t listen until it was too late and most people will not listen now until it is too late.  But let’s go back to those haunting words of Jesus:  “Just like the days of Noah.”  He didn’t say “like” he said the Aramaic equivalent of “just like,” something very specific. 

Turn with me please back to the book of  Genesis, Bereshit, Chapter 6 and let us see what the days of Noah were like:

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.  Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.  Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.  And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.  And the LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 

But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.  And Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.  Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.  “Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch.  “And this is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.  “You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks. “And behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.  “But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark– you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you.

Genesis 6:1-18 (Berean Literal Bible)

Later on, in the age of the Church Fathers, in the Patristic literature, there were some speculations alien to the original thought of the first Christians and of the Jews, giving some other identity to these “great men” or to who these beings were. 

The original thinking, however, is what we see in the Apocrypha. 

Now the Apocrypha is not scripture, but it is Biblically important history and literature.  Jude refers to this in his epistle, about those angels who did not keep their place.  What we have here were sexual relations between demonic beings and humans, frightening prospect. 

Remember, angels can appear as men. 

Repeatedly in the New Testament we see angels appearing as men. 

Today in Satanism you have surrogate rituals where inductees into a coven will have sex with Satan.  I have met and heard the testimonies of witches and warlocks who participated in some of these rituals; it is sexually connatated. 

You look at some of the imagery used by certain rock bands involved in heavy metal music, it is the same kind of imagery.  It is the idea of having sex with devils or with demons and things of this nature. 

Well, what is also conspicuous is this, people who claim to have been abductees, taken away by UFOs, unidentified flying objects, seemingly in common report some interest in their reproductive organs by their abductors. 

These are people independent of each other.  “Just as in the days of Noah.” 

Now, Judaism teaches from the Apocrypha, that this happened in the days of Jared on Mount Hermon.  Mount Hermon or har Hemon in Hebrew, is where the transfiguration of Jesus took place in Matthew Chapter 16. 

It is where the wicked demons came down, so it is where the Son of Man went up.  Mount Hermon. 

That is where it took place, according to the Histories of the Jews. 

They procreated with human women. 

Nephilim literally means in Hebrew “the fallen ones” from the infinitive of the Hebrew verb lipol to fall, nofel fall, Nephilim, as it were, the fallen ones, because Satan’s followers are fallen angels but they come to earth. 

We have enfleshment of angels in the New Testament; angels have angelic powers. 

They appear as men; think of Mary Magdalene in the garden, she saw the men, she saw the angels but they appeared as men.  We are told in Jude’s epistle they left their rightful abode.  They began to take on unnatural relations with human women.

Now we make light of Hollywood movies like Rosemary’s Baby. 

There is a sinister reality to those who believe in such things.  Satan has always wanted a body to counterfeit Jesus.  As Jesus was God who became a man, the Beast of Revelation, who we usually call the Antichrist, will try to, in some way, impersonate that or counterfeit that, will try to find a body to dwell in. 

Demonic possession is, in part, that, demons looking for a physical form.  But these demons come as men and they have relations with human women.  I don’t want to speculate but pay attention.

When the Blue Report was declassified by the Carter Administration in the United States, under President Jimmy Carter, not all of it was declassified but much of the research carried out by the United States Air-force, Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, plus some things carried out by the British government, some of the research into UFOs was declassified. 

I am not saying that there is life on other planets, what I am saying is, the psychiatric evidence indicates that many of those people, who claim to be abductees, really believe they were abducted. 

They really believe it happened to them. 

What these government documents also make clear is even though with exobiology or astrophysics, or astronomy, or aeronautics, there is absolutely no evidence for life on other planets, there have been instances of encounters that cannot be explained through conventional science and some of the research carried out by intelligence agencies, some cult groups involved in occult practices were able, as it were, to conjure phenomena. 

This is not speculation; these are simply government documents. 

I am not saying there is life on other planets, but I am saying the Bible says “The powers of the air.” 

The cosmos needs to be cleansed. 

There are demonic powers. 

Going back to the first century Church, Paul told us “other gods are demons.”  The Greek word, daimonion, drawing on Moses calling other god’s shadim, devils

And who are these Greek gods? 

They were associated with planets and heavenly bodies. 

To us, it is only mythology, but to the Greeks it was religion, it was belief. 

The Romans were the same; it was belief. 

LET’S GO FURTHER.

These so-called abductees, or people who believe that is what happened to them say that these beings had an infatuation with their reproductive anatomy. 

Even people like Uri Geller, the Israeli spoon bender, will tell you that he believes there are people on other planets trying to contact people on earth and things of this nature. 

I was amazed as a young Christian when I used to go witnessing in the early 1970’s, how many people really believed in extraterrestrial life, even though there was no scientific evidence for it, in any conventional sense of science. 

A lot of people believed in it. 

To me things like David Bowie recordings, like Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars or Scary Monsters is simply pop music. 

For me, Steven Spielberg movies, such as Close Encounters or ET are simply pop movies, that is all they are, movies and pop music, it is entertainment, in and of itself potentially innocuous. 

But such things are taken seriously by a growing number of people, including young people. 

It is predisposing them to what amounts to a kind of deception. 

When you are looking for some extraterrestrial life to bring salvation to mankind instead of to the return of Jesus, you are putting something else in place of Jesus. 

Now the Greek word antichrist does not only mean, or necessarily primarily mean against Christ, it co-equally means, and in some contexts mainly means in place of Christ.  

When something is in place of Christ, it is antichrist. 

They are looking for salvation from extraterrestrial life or extraterrestrial beings. 

We are warned that the False Prophet will call down signs from the heavens. 

Obviously he will try to mimic the miracles of the prophet Elijah, things of this nature.  They will show signs in the cosmos in order to deceive people. 

But let us take this a bit further. 

There was a demonic incarnation. 

When I was in university before I studied Theology in my later years as a Christian, I was saved while I was studying science. 

There are things happening today in bio-genetic engineering that would have bordered on science fiction when I was in university that are reality. 

They were just beginning to experiment with gene splicing with the Mayfly.  Now they are cloning all kinds of things. 

With the Enlightenment, which climaxed in the 18th century, something happened. 

Going back to at least the 15th and 16th centuries, there was a schism, a split between science and superstition. 

In the ancient world all the way to the medieval world, until the Middle Ages under Medieval Roman Catholicism, superstition and science were mixed. 

Astronomy and astrology were the same. 

Medical science and pharmacology and folk medicine were the same. 

Chemistry, physics and magic (alchemy) where the same. 

There was no distinction between astronomy and astrology or in alchemy between chemistry and magic; it was all the same. 

With the Enlightenment, science went one way and superstition and the occult went the other. 

Medical science and pharmacology went one way and folk medicine and belief in curses and things of that nature when the other way. 

Astronomy, astrophysics went one way and astrology went the other way. 

Chemistry and physics, physical sciences went one way and magic went the other way. 

In the last 15 to 18 years we have seen an increasing rapprochement between superstition and science. 

We particularly see this in certain fields–one is Holistic Medicine.

Acupuncture, for instance, is based on Taoism, the ying and yang. 

Now, I have been to acupuncture clinics in China; I’ve seen where it came from. 

The same places that were practicing acupuncture were selling a white wine with six species of poison snakes being pickled in it, as an aphrodisiac. 

It is based on Taoism, the ying and yang. 

What happened in the Enlightenment was what had a legitimate scientific, physiological or chemical basis was extracted from superstition. 

Some people try to extract that which seems to have a basis in neuroanatomy from the rest of acupuncture. 

I have no problem with scientifically investigating that. 

Some of it may have a scientific basis that has not been understood because of the occult and superstition in which it has always occurred.  But there is much happening in Holistic Medicine, reflexology, acupuncture that is simply based on superstition, the occult and it is increasingly gained more mainstream following, more people who are believing in it, even though traditional medicine has warned against it. 

Let us go a bit further…

Not only is this happening in holistic medicine, it is certainly happening in particle physics. 

Particle physicists are telling us that perhaps the universe is neither finite or infinite, but it’s critical, Critical Universe Theory[1]http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/C/Critical+Density

They are speaking of effects called super strings which they can’t be sure that exist. 

This approaches mystical views of the universe, things you cannot quantify. 

We are beginning to see serious physicists beginning to look at Transcendentalism, particularly Hinduistic Transcendentalism. 

It is happening in computer video graphics. 

It is happening in a variety of disciplines, a rapprochement between science and the occult. 

Now this becomes a problem. 

This is what it was like in the Dark Ages. 

We may be plunged straight forward into a new Dark Age, where once again, science and the occult become mixed.  Already there is a very dangerous cult, as I regard it, in America, called Scientology. 

Very much in vogue with some of Hollywood’s leading figures, including John Travolta, Tom Cruise and others. 

It essentially mixes science and technology with the occult, based on the ideals of L. Ron Hubbard. 

Now L. Ron Hubbard was basically a con artist who claimed to have died twice. 

I recall, as a young person in New York, I think I was a teenager, I was on the streets and it was the hippie era and so on, and the Scientologists tried to recruit me into their cult. 

They were trying to get me to read a book about Dianetics and to come and take some course, to have an audit. 

They were trying to persuade me that this guy, L. Ron Hubbard, rose from the dead twice. 

Now again, it was Jesus who rose from the dead. 

When you see somebody else in place of Christ, it is by Greek definition antichristos, antichrist. 

But with the power of Hollywood in back of it, you see why it comes into vogue with people.  I basically said, I wasn’t walking with the Lord at the time, I basically said, “Well you get him over here now and I’ll ice him. 

After I ice him, if he gets up a third time then I’ll believe in your Scientology.” 

Ice is New York slang for killing somebody.  “After I knock him off, if he gets up again then I’ll join your whatever…” 

They didn’t want to do that.  Scientology mixes science and the occult, alpha brain waves, the audit, most peculiar.  All cults, of course, are money making schemes, one way or another. 

Well, let’s go even beyond this.

What you will see happening within the next 10 years, and it will be mainstream within the next 20 years, if the world has not ended, is this: 

People will begin to use science and technology to facilitate occult practice. 

I have a friend, a nice Jewish believer, a Messianic Jew, and his job was teaching people to write software programs for air flight simulators.  This technology was first developed to train American astronauts and then it was adopted to train fighter pilots and then commercial pilots and now it is coming into commercial entertainment. 

I went into the mock cockpit of a 747 that was programmed for me to land the 747 with manual flight rules at Schiphol Airport in Holland, taking off from London, England. 

As you might have imagined, it was one of the worst disasters in recorded aviation history. 

Fortunately, it was only a simulator. 

But the definition was so good, the software was so good, the crystal technology was so good you wouldn’t believe you were not flying a 747, coming in over the North Sea, coming in over the Zuiderzee those were not real windmills, it looked exactly—you wouldn’t believe, it looked so real. 

Not only that, but the definition and technology are getting better all the time. 

We have digital recordings, surgically implantable microchips. 

What is going to happen when seances are facilitated technologically, where you have a voice track of a dead loved one.  We have virtual simulators.  Now they are virtually helmet sized, eventually they will be the size of a pair of sunglasses. 

People will construct their own reality where the subjective will become the objective.  “I always wanted to be Napoleon,” “I always wanted to be Cinderella,” “I always wanted to be Elvis.” 

People will live in a simulator, a virtual world, the same as everyone has a PC now, a time will come when almost everyone will have a virtual reality simulator attached to their computer. 

It will just be another modem.  

You will construct your own reality.  “Look I’m Napoleon,” “Look I’m Cinderella,” “Look, I’m Elvis,” “I always wanted to be Greta Garbo.” 

People will begin to construct their own reality. 

This technology will get cheaper, the definition will get better, the software will get better, so the distinction between reality and non-reality will become so vague it will not really matter in the thinking of many people.  “It doesn’t matter what happens out there, this is my world,” do your own thing, create your own reality. 

The objective will be usurped by the subjective, so people will be oblivious to the actions of governments, corporations and God knows who else.  Electronic escapism! 

Let’s go beyond that.

Genetic cloning.  Anything fallen man can use for evil, he will use for evil. 

I have a science background, there is nothing wrong with science, nothing wrong with medical science.  These things can help people.  But you take Jesus Christ out of the equation and anything man can use for evil, he will use for evil, absolutely guaranteed. 

We can have diagnostic therapy using x-rays, we can have radio isotope therapy prolonging the life of people battling cancer. 

Nuclear technology is also used to make weapons of mass destruction. 

Nerve fibers don’t regenerate; when they die, that is it, they will not regenerate. 

We cannot make cytons or neurons regenerate. 

It is the kind of cell that once it is dead, it is dead.  There are ways to try to get it to repair or to get dendrites to reknit but scientists tried to compensate for the inability to generate neurons by implanted microchips that may help quadriplegics or paraplegics to regain some motion or blind people to help see using implanted microchips to substitute some of the function of neurons that can interact with neurons, biointeractive implants. 

It can be used for good. 

It can also be used for evil. 

You combine an implanted microchip in the mastoid with Gestalt therapy. 

You take the DNA of a loved one.  ”Oh, he is terminally ill.”  “Well, we will clone his DNA.”  IVF, in vitro fertilization, you clone that person. 

Now, there are natural clones, identical twins, but now you have an unnatural clone. 

You use a combination of Gestalt therapy and bioimplantation, a biochip, an organic microchip, of which already prototypes exist.  “Oh, he is not dead, here he is, we brought him back to life, he has been reincarnated.” 

Do you understand. 

Now this will go down very well in the Hindu society, but something else has happened. 

When I go to India, I speak in churches that are crowded, they grow very quickly.  I see people being saved out of Hinduism turning to Christ.  Look at what the Hindu religion has done for India. 

Did you ever see a person drinking cow urine or taking water from the Ganges because they think it is sacred? 

Give it to an infant baby and the baby dies of cholera, but “That’s okay, that is his karma.” 

Look what that religion has done for India. 

At least people in the West realize things like slavery or the Caste System were wrong. 

But the feudalism that still exists in the Islamic world or the Caste System in India, it is not seen as wrong.  The people in the West will say Apartheid was wrong, slavery was wrong, not so where you do not have a Judeo-Christian worldview. 

Now this has nothing to do with race and it has nothing to do with Western Imperialism.  Christianity came from Judaism, it began as an Oriental, an Eastern religion. 

We Hellenized Christianity, we westernized an Eastern faith, but Christianity in its origin comes from Judaism, which came from the East. 

We westernized Christianity but Christianity is not, in its origins, a Western religion. 

We westernized it culturally. 

It comes from the East. 

God put the Jews in Israel, he writes to the nations. 

It’s where three continents came together, in the Middle East with Israel at the center so the gospel could spread in all directions.  The Jews would be lights to the nations, teach the nations about the one true God, etc.  So the caravan routes, Roman roads like the Via Maris, etc., all came through and came together. 

It was a conversion point facilitating the spread of the Gospel, that is, in part, why God placed them there, as Isaiah calls it, at the center of the earth.  We are not taking about Western Imperialism.  Our faith has been westernized but it began in the east. 

It began in the Orient.  However, it is undeniable that you have a higher standard of social justice in societies that are influenced by the Judeo-Christian worldview than you do the Hindu or Islamic world view. 

Yet, it is a strange thing. 

While churches in Indonesia are growing explosively, despite persecution by Moslems, while churches in India and Bangladesh are growing explosively, to me it is most strange when I come to Sydney, Australia, or Los Angeles, California, or London, England. 

I see people in the West turning towards Hinduism. 

At the same time, people in the Hindu world are turning toward Jesus; East is going West, West is going East. Look what those religions have done for India.  Look at someone drinking cow urine, look at the caste system, look at jihad. 

Most peculiar. 

Nonetheless, the Hinduistic worldview would love reincarnation, if you can facilitate it technologically? 

India has more scientists and more engineers per capita than any country in the world, after the United States. 

But let’s go beyond this.

Put on the simulator.  “Oh, grandmother isn’t dead, we just had coffee this morning.” 

You use technology to facilitate what the Bible calls occult practice. 

When you have a full human clone, where does the soul come from? 

Now, man is triune, we have a body, a soul and a spirit. 

Where does the spirit come from.  “Just as it was in the days of Noah.” 

It would not be difficult to understand how biogenetic engineering would result in the cloning of a human that was demonically in dwelt. 

Anything fallen man can use for evil he will use for evil. 

There is already talk of cloning human embryos on embryo farms to produce replacement organs for transplants where there are not adequate donors.  Human life has already been degenerated thanks to abortion and increasingly euthanasia. 

Why not just harvest organs from cloned embryos. 

It is going that way, but why not use clones to facilitate reincarnation, or what they imagine will be reincarnation. 

Where will those spirits come from? 

It’s quite a question. “Just as it was in the days of Noah.” 

With the merger of science and the occult, it is not difficult, it is not even highly speculative to see how this can come about.  In fact, most of the essentials that would be required for this to come about already exist. 

Now, in the Western countries, like Australia, America or Britain can regulate it, France can regulate it, “We are not going to allow that.”  But you can be absolutely assured that if there are scientists who cannot find a legal outlet for carrying out certain things and certain experiments in the West, they will find a despot in the Third World who will allow it.  “We will clone an army; we will become a superpower.”  “We will have slave labour by cloning.”  Humans and humanoids. 

It is easy to see what happened–you had demonoids on the earth in the days of Noah. 

There will be demonoids on the earth again in the Last Days, ultimately pointing to Antichrist, the Beast of Revelation who will be something approximating an incarnation of Satan, not in the sense that Jesus was incarnate but approximating it. 

It is moving in that direction, demonoids, demonic beings. 

That is what happened in the days of Noah.  Now, something else happened in the days of Noah.  God said to build an ark.  It’s dimensions all meant something in Biblical numerics; 30 cubits by 50 cubits, look at the dimensions again: “Three hundred cubits shall be it’s length, it’s breadth 50 and it’s height 30.” 

• 300 (Three hundred) cubits in the Bible is the number of the Elect, as in Gideon’s Army was 300,

• 50 is the number of the Holy Spirit, hamashim in Hebrew, the day of Pentecost, and

• 30 is the number of spiritual maturity. 

David began to reign as king when he was 30; Jesus began his ministry at the age of 30. 

Three hundred, fifty, thirty — a picture of the Church, what it is meant to be. 

Pitched within and without—indwelt with the Spirit, the Spirit outside and in, outpoured.  It is the place of safety. 

When God’s people got on that ark, when the whole number of those to be saved were in, God closed it. 

Now is the appointed time. 

Today is the day of salvation. 

Get on that ark and beginning with your families, get as many people on that ark as you possibly can. 

The hour is coming when the hand of God is going to close that door. 

“Just as it was in the days of Noah.”

References

References
1 http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/C/Critical+Density

20 Nov. Tamaki Shakes~Heads-up “Could God be dealing with a Nation”

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WHAT POSITION SHOULD A BELIEVER TAKE!

NO

ITS POSSIBLE

YES


Prime Questions to be resolved first: “remember this is generic questions on God and His dealings with mankind

1.0 Does God Chastise and make Judgments concerning individuals and or Nations: Yes/No

2.0 Is there clear Biblical examples recorded in the bible concerning Gods dealings with “Men” and “Nations”? Yes/No

3.0 Is there clear biblical evidences where God uses the elements to Judge an individual and or Nations Yes/No

4.0 Is God the same God of the Old Testament as the God of the New Testament? Yes/No

5.0 Has God warned of other pending Judgments to come prophetically yet to arrive on individuals and mankind? Yes/No

6.0 Does God sound an alarm and warn individuals and nations of pending judgements if they do not cease and desist in actions God says Stop doing. Yes/No

7.0 Does God raise up voices and attract the individual or nations attention to hear the declaring of the warning and provide opportunity to turn around? Yes/No

8.0 Does God use the elements to Gain people attention and also on occasions use these same elements to execute judgements and punishments and are there biblical examples of him doing just such things Yes/No

My Premise then is:

geggeg2ic-150sqIf you score Yes eight times the possibilities of the comments of Ps. B Tamaki are not beyond the realms of possibilities and we would be wise to be slow to denounce and proclaim otherwise just in case we are found speaking contrary to God Himself, I just plain do not know all the Facts that God knows or have inside information to confirm or deny this claims. Hence I will not.

As Ive clearly tried to show in previous articles the eight questions biblically score YES! hence Im taking the position “ITS POSSIBLE” as I personally think prudence is to not be found fighting God and becoming his Adversary; which in all cases in the bible didn’t bode well for those whom felt they could take God on Ask Lucifer how that position went, its clearly echoed in the Word of God and if we read Revelations the Final solution to that foolishness is the LAKE of FIRE, here is a hot tip its not the desired real-estate one should plan to end up in for eternity, JUST SAYING.

The Key to avoiding such possibilities is to make sure you are in line with Gods position on all that the Bible reveals as right and wrong I would candidly suggest ones not going to go too wrong starting there and sticking to that and that’s the bottom line for a nation “Civil Rules of Conduct and Morality” ie you do not legalise conduct which God clearly declares wrong. Im not talking a National Religion, Im talking about a Nation who claims to be a “Christian” nation should at least embrace base line biblical codes of conduct. period… Now if the Nation has decided to divorce God and shift away from God, then it is a PAGAN NATION and will immediately open it self to Chastisements and Judgments as God see fit. Hey lets remember God is GOD and as the bible clearly points out JUDGE and JUST.

Why are so many “Christians” having such a difficult time coming to grips with who God is, have the masses been feed a half truth have the pulpits failed to teach the whole counsel of God and miss led a whole generation of believers into a delusion image of God which is only a part Truth, from where I looking this seems to be the case as the ground swell from [?”believers”?] sure indicates this.

Isaiah 40 is all about where did you get that image of who God is and a cry from the prophet to get the correct footprint of God within our spirit and heart as its is the very source of power that will enable the person to run and not get weary and to rise-up amongst adversity like on eagles wings. When one reads Isaiah 40 the inflated ego of humanity suffers a serious rupture and deflates very quickly, our obsessions with self importance are taken behind the woodshed for us endure/[enjoy for the (masochist)] a lesson in humility, for myself I personally find no pleasure in chastisement hence a burning desire to avoid such moments thrives within, as I’m very aware we cant hide anything from God unlike we can from people “sometimes” particularly if your running for president as we’ve seen both side have taken “look what you’ve done moment” flashed before the whole world.

Isaiah 40 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.

2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord’s hand double for all her sins.

3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:

7 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

10 Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.

18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.

20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.

24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.

25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

27 Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed over from my God?

28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

29 He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.

30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:

31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

geggeg2ic-150sqI’m beginning to wonder if we have an epidemic of Denial within Christendom

as it just seem to me a sea of Christian’s cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the eight questions demand the answer YES


Denialis not a river in Egypt[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

Denial, in ordinary English usage, is asserting that a statement or allegation is not true. The same word, and also abnegation (German: Verneinung), is used for a psychological defense mechanism postulated by psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. An individual that exhibits such behaviour is described as a denialist or true believer. Denial also could mean denying the happening of an event or the reliability of information, which can lead to a feeling of aloofness and to the ignoring of possibly beneficial information.


THE SUBJECT MAY USE:

• Simple Denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether

• Minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)

• Projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else.


DENIAL OF FACT:

In this form of denial, someone avoids a fact by utilizing deception. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent, also referred to as “yessing” behaviour). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies to avoid facts they think may be painful to themselves or others.


DENIAL OF IMPACT:

Denial of impact involves a person’s avoiding thinking about or understanding the harms of his or her behaviour has caused to self or others, i.e. denial of the consequences. Doing this enables that person to avoid feeling a sense of guilt and it can prevent him or her from developing remorse or empathy for others. Denial of impact reduces or eliminates a sense of pain or harm from poor decisions.


DENIAL OF DENIAL:

This can be a difficult concept for many people to identify with in themselves, but is a major barrier to changing hurtful behaviours. Denial of denial involves thoughts, actions and behaviours which bolster confidence that nothing needs to be changed in one’s personal behaviour. This form of denial typically overlaps with all of the other forms of denial, but involves more self-delusion. Denial at this level can have significant consequences both personally and at a societal level.

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See 17 Nov: Why is there such a problem with the concept God uses the forces of Nature to chastise and Judge in this World

See 18 Nov: Straight Talking “The Tamaki Shakes”

See 19 Nov: Another perspective on the “Tamaki Shake”

See 20 Nov. Tamaki Shakes~Heads-up “Could God be dealing with a Nation”

References

References
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

19 Nov. Another perspective on the “Tamaki Shake”

Profile: GEG 4CM 2ic feature

 

Related Articles:

See 16 Nov: Bishop Brian Tamaki blames gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes

See 17 Nov: Why is there such a problem with the concept God uses the forces of Nature to chastise and Judge in this World

See 18 Nov: Straight Talking “The Tamaki Shakes”

See 19 Nov: Another perspective on the “Tamaki Shake”

See 20 Nov. Tamaki Shakes~Heads-up “Could God be dealing with a Nation”

18 Nov. Straight Talking “The Tamaki Shakes”

Profile: GEG 4CM 2ic feature

The ongoing debacle concerning comments Ps. Brian Tamaki has caught my attention and I’ve felt compelled to highlight some things about God that are being overlooked or disbelief or just out right rejected in spite of the Word of God reveals. The topic clearly has engaged a major river of emotions however we must move out from that river and draw from a well which reveals TRUTH. God’s Word.

Someone incredibly dear to my heart in NZ wrote.

“Most of these poor affected people in Kaikoura are probably not homosexual or having affairs so why point the finger”

geggeg2ic-150sqI replied Sadly your observation is correct people who are not “homosexual or adulterers, Fornicators (see 1 Cor 6:9)” etc. will suffer consequences of the guilt why because their “compliance and acceptance” of what is “wrong as being right.” If the people stood up and made their voice heard to political player’s maybe they would not have been bold to embrace and legalize what GOD declares is an abomination before him. A big league item in Gods list of Do Not….

Doing such things gains God’s attention in a manner which if unheeded will spell calamity and judgements to a nation. There is just no escape from that reality Im bound to say “cause and effect”. Nobody thumbs up their nose at God and walks away with no consequences foolish is the man or nation which does so or thinks so.

I then went on to point out “Im must reiterate my thoughts are not driven to defend Tamaki I don’t agree with his word of faith doctrine however I do defend Gods word and truth. I’m looking at “is God shaking” (fig.) The nation to get its attention, that I could not in good conscience rule out the possiblity that it is (please also be clear I am not saying it is either) there sure is firm reason to believe that may well be the case, but what’s happening now is nothing to the moment when God metes out a Nations punishments it will be far more unpleasant and far reaching and devastating that I can a sure all. When God’s says enough. No more.”

The Question to be asked: Is or could be God speaking and a Nation is not Listening?

Also a special person and I consider a friend wrote “I have found my God to be a God of love. and compassion, and He doesn’t work in ways that this minister describes”

geggeg2ic-150sqMy reply was: True … “God is LOVE” However GOD does work in the manner Ps. Tamaki speaks of its clearly in the word of God, and the God of Love also is the Judge and metes out chastisements and judgements to individuals and nations, that too is clear in the word of God, Consider the flood of Noah, consider the sin of Ai consider Israel’s final destruction in AD-70, which laid in effect until 1948 or Ananias and Sapphira, let alone what’s describe yet to come in the book of revelations which is judgements by the same Loving God you’ve talk about.

LOVE AND JUDGE AND JUST IS GOD HE IS LIGHT AND IN HIM IS NO SHADOW OF TURNING, SOVEREIGN IS HE WEIGHING AND BALANCING NATIONS AND PEOPLES HE DOES.

And we know the sin of one can effect a whole nation the sin of Ai clearly shows this to be so. I then also to this friend went on to point out “Im must reiterate my thoughts are not driven to defend Tamaki I don’t agree with his word of faith doctrine however I do defend Gods word and truth. I’m looking at “is God shaking” (fig.) The nation to get its attention, that I could not rule out there sure is firm reason to believe that may well be the case, but what’s happening now is nothing to the moment when God metes out a Nations punishments it will be far more unpleasant and far reaching and devastating that I can a sure all. When God’s says enough. No more.”

Again I hear the echo of: “Is or could be God speaking and a Nation is not Listening?

I can’t help but wonder and I’m reminded of the account of the Vineyard and the Owner recorded in the new testament we must remember the earth and all there is belongs to GOD not us we as just likened to the “husbandmen (tenant farmers)” It would wise to be very careful we are not behaving just as the account recorded below because the final outcome is not pleasant

Luke 20:9-19 KJV

9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.

10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.

11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.

12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.

13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.

15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?

16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.

17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.

Luke 20:9-19 NLT

Parable of the Evil Farmers

9 Now Jesus turned to the people again and told them this story: “A man planted a vineyard, leased it to tenant farmers, and moved to another country to live for several years. 10 At the time of the grape harvest, he sent one of his servants to collect his share of the crop. But the farmers attacked the servant, beat him up, and sent him back empty-handed. 11 So the owner sent another servant, but they also insulted him, beat him up, and sent him away empty-handed. 12 A third man was sent, and they wounded him and chased him away.

13 “‘What will I do?’ the owner asked himself. ‘I know! I’ll send my cherished son. Surely they will respect him.’

14 “But when the tenant farmers saw his son, they said to each other, ‘Here comes the heir to this estate. Let’s kill him and get the estate for ourselves!’ 15 So they dragged him out of the vineyard and murdered him.

What do you suppose the owner of the vineyard will do to them?”Jesus asked. 16 I’ll tell you—he will come and kill those farmers and lease the vineyard to others.

How terrible that such a thing should ever happen,” his listeners protested.

17 Jesus looked at them and said, “Then what does this Scripture mean?

‘The stone that the builders rejected
has now become the cornerstone.’[1]see Ps 20:17 KJV Ps 118:22 KJV

18 Everyone who stumbles over that stone will be broken to pieces, and it will crush anyone it falls on.”

19 The teachers of religious law and the leading priests wanted to arrest Jesus immediately because they realized he was telling the story against them—they were the wicked farmers. But they were afraid of the people’s reaction.

Related Articles:

See 16 Nov: Bishop Brian Tamaki blames gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes

See 17 Nov: Why is there such a problem with the concept God uses the forces of Nature to chastise and Judge in this World

See 18 Nov: Straight Talking “The Tamaki Shakes”

See 19 Nov: Another perspective on the “Tamaki Shake”

See 20 Nov. Tamaki Shakes~Heads-up “Could God be dealing with a Nation”

References

References
1 see Ps 20:17 KJV Ps 118:22 KJV

16 Nov. Bishop Brian Tamaki blames gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes

Truth and Lies feature

Above watch edited clip: The NZ Herald Article interprets Tamaki’s comments by implication of his commentary.
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In the NZ Herald article Reverend Helen Jacobi of Auckland church St Matthew-in-the-City said

“If that was the case, if you followed that to its logical conclusion, a baby dying of cancer would be somehow sinful, and that’s ridiculous. It’s just completely illogical.”

In the NZ Herald article Prime Minister Key said

Prime Minister Key said this afternoon that Tamaki’s comments were “ridiculous”.


“I mean, give me a break,” Key told Radiolive.

“Look, you always get people coming out with these stupid statements.

“The facts of life are New Zealand is a seismically prone country, with a number of very well identified fault lines.

“We’ve been a bit unlucky I think, clearly those plates are moving around a bit.

“It’s nothing to do with people’s sexuality. I mean, it’s just madness.”


geggeg2ic-150sqThis I would say to Rev. Helen; what an illogical rebuttal you put forward, In my opinion it appears your’e speaking from emotive thought processes. The Word of God Speaks for its self ! And that even when it doesn’t fit our preferences it is what it is.

Clearly the Word of God reveals clear consequences for entrenched sin within societies and records Gods dealings and judgements if his warnings go unheeded. This theme runs from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelations and as a minister I feel you should know this to be a sound biblical fact.

God is not in the Game of “Political Correctness” and God clearly has no problem naming what is Sin and confronting Individuals and Nations when God deems it necessary; nor is He apologetic in doing so, as God’s primary focus is on building our character into the likeness of Jesus rather than pampering to our desires for comfort which give us a warm feeling and begins to makes us all feel like singing “Kumbaya”.

The Old and New Testament clearly defines certain actions as Sins and some abominations before the Lord and that they have consequences to firstly the individuals and to a nation which embraces such lifestyles as acceptable social codes for conduct.

As ministers we are only a messenger not the writer of the message! Our job is to proclaim/declare/preach/teach the message the way it was written by “God” creator of Heaven and Earth whose son is Jesus.

It is never to be our concern that the hearers may not find the message (Gods Word) palatable or appreciated. Our responsibility is to just tell it the way God has said it, if the hearers do not like the message then they are free to take it up with the author “God” if they dare, Im sure their success at getting God to change his mind about what is sin and what is not; has the same odds as that of you and I seeing the day elephants roost in trees.

Moving on to the comments of Prime Minster Keys:

geggeg2ic-150sqI would suggest Prime Minister Key’s is possibly not terribly qualified or commissioned to be speaking on the behalf of “God” or qualified to expound on how God deals with individuals and society. As I would suggest Prime Minister Key’s command of and knowledge of the “Word of God” is skin deep at best. So Prime Minister Key’s critique of the Ps. Tamaki’s remarks from a pulpit really sit in left field and well out of Prime Minister Key’s areas of expertise.

Let me put it this way; If I need the opinion of a specialist for brain damage issues I do not go to a urologist, If I need an opinion on the God of the Bible I do not go to the Devil for it.

So when a preacher of Gods word casts opinions; I not going to go to the prime minister of NZ, Im going to go to the “Word of God” and see what God has said about it!

And this I would suggest all the readers do; and prior to doing so ask God to reveal the truth of His Word and at the same time be willing to (see and hear) what God has to say about Sin and its effects on a nation or individuals.

This rebuttal I’ve made is not to be construed as myself saying 100% that the happenings of earthquakes in the country of NZ in the last couple of years are connected to an action God is taking against New Zealand for the Nations actions of embracing that which God has clearly said is sin and also the formalization of spiritism into the national ethos in its society as being an essential intrinsic part of the Nations culture.

However I would not rule out the fact that God maybe be making a move to bring chastisement to the Nation of NZ concerning these very issues and along with chastisement a call to the nation to turn back to God and His ways.

In fact it could well be that we are seeing in NZ the birth pangs for a Nation to turn to God once again and allow God to set the standard of Conduct according to His absolutes within the Word of God.

I would suggest a prudent position would be to be very careful that as individuals and a Nation we are not rejecting messengers from God who are being sent to sound the alarm of warning and calling for change towards Gods boundaries as individuals and as Nation.

Rev. Gary (New Zealander by Birth)

HERE A QUALIFIED BIBLICAL OPINION WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION

How are we affected by sin?[1]https://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/how-are-we-affected-sin

There are different schools of thought concerning the extent to which sin has affected us. Without a doubt, sin brings death (Rom. 6:23). Death is not a natural part of God’s creation. When sin entered the world, death came with it (Rom. 5:12). But, to what extent and how deeply are we affected by sin? The Reformed theologians hold to the doctrine of total depravity. This is the teaching that sin has affected all of what the person is in body, soul, emotions, mind, and spirit. Furthermore, the Reformed position states that the effect of sin on our persons makes unbelievers incapable of choosing God on their own since sin has left us dead, blind (Eph. 2:3), and incapable of understanding spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14).

In contrast, the Arminian position states that sin has affected all of what we are, but that it has not incapacitated the free-will choices of the unbeliever. The Arminian position states that the unbeliever is still capable of choosing or rejecting God on his own — all he needs is some prompting from the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless, the extent of the effect of sin upon us will continue to be debated by Christian theologians since the Scripture does not explicitly declare its depth.

Sin has also affected us by its influence on the world.  All we need to do is look around us to see that we grow old, get sick, and die. In other words, the world is decaying and we first notice it in our own bodies.  We also see the effect of sin on societies that war against each other. There is mayhem, killing, theft, adulteries, murders, lying, etc.  Our jails are filled with those who are ruled by sin — which is rebellion against God’s truth.

Also, sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc.  These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it.  When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall.  Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God.  Therefore, when Adam rebelled he took the world with him in his fall and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now,

Sin will be remedied finally only by the return of Christ who will then destroy sin and death completely. Until that day, we war against the sinfulness of our fleshly bodies as well as the effects of it upon creation.

Here is the Raw Word of God Scripture Read this and be courageous enough to ask God to reveal the truth of what hes saying within these verses!

Leviticus 18: 1-30 NIV (dynamic translation)

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

Leviticus 18:1-30 ESV (word for word translation)

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. 4 You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord.

6 “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. 7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. 10 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. 11 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, brought up in your father’s family, since she is your sister. 12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s relative. 13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s relative. 14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother, that is, you shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. 15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. 17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, and you shall not take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are relatives; it is depravity. 18 And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.

19 “You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. 20 And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor’s wife and so make yourself unclean with her. 21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

24 “Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean, 25 and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you 27 (for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean), 28 lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”


Leviticus 26:1-46 NIV 

Reward for Obedience

1 “‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

“‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

“‘If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, I will send you rain in its season, and the ground will yield its crops and the trees their fruit. Your threshing will continue until grape harvest and the grape harvest will continue until planting, and you will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land.

“‘I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove wild beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country. You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.

“‘I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you. 10 You will still be eating last year’s harvest when you will have to move it out to make room for the new. 11 I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. 12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. 13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egyptso that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high.

Punishment for Disobedience

14 “‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands,15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.

18 “‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of your land yield their fruit.

21 “‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

23 “‘If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. 25 And I will bring the sword on you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. 26 When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied.

27 “‘If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eatthe flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I myself will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.

36 “‘As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them. 37 They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them. So you will not be able to stand before your enemies. 38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their ancestors’sins they will waste away.

40 “‘But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me, 41 which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42 I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. 44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’”

46 These are the decrees, the laws and the regulations that the Lordestablished at Mount Sinai between himself and the Israelites through Moses.

Leviticus 26:1-46 ESV

Blessings for Obedience

1 “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep my Sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

3 “If you walk in my statutes and observe my commandments and do them, 4 then I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 5 Your threshing shall last to the time of the grape harvest, and the grape harvest shall last to the time for sowing. And you shall eat your bread to the full and dwell in your land securely. 6 I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid. And I will remove harmful beasts from the land, and the sword shall not go through your land. 7 You shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall chase ten thousand, and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. 9 I will turn to you and make you fruitful and multiply you and will confirm my covenant with you. 10 You shall eat old store long kept, and you shall clear out the old to make way for the new. 11 I will make my dwelling among you, and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you and will be your God, and you shall be my people. 13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves. And I have broken the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect.

Punishment for Disobedience

14 “But if you will not listen to me and will not do all these commandments, 15 if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will visit you with panic, with wasting disease and fever that consume the eyes and make the heart ache. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set my face against you, and you shall be struck down before your enemies. Those who hate you shall rule over you, and you shall flee when none pursues you. 18 And if in spite of this you will not listen to me, then I will discipline you again sevenfold for your sins, 19 and I will break the pride of your power, and I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain, for your land shall not yield its increase, and the trees of the land shall not yield their fruit.

21 “Then if you walk contrary to me and will not listen to me, I will continue striking you, sevenfold for your sins. 22 And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted.

23 “And if by this discipline you are not turned to me but walk contrary to me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I myself will strike you sevenfold for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant. And if you gather within your cities, I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I break your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in a single oven and shall dole out your bread again by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied.

27 “But if in spite of this you will not listen to me, but walk contrary to me, 28 then I will walk contrary to you in fury, and I myself will discipline you sevenfold for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul will abhor you. 31 And I will lay your cities waste and will make your sanctuaries desolate, and I will not smell your pleasing aromas. 32 And I myself will devastate the land, so that your enemies who settle in it shall be appalled at it. 33 And I will scatter you among the nations, and I will unsheathe the sword after you, and your land shall be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.

34 “Then the land shall enjoy its Sabbaths as long as it lies desolate, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest, and enjoy its Sabbaths. 35 As long as it lies desolate it shall have rest, the rest that it did not have on your Sabbaths when you were dwelling in it. 36 And as for those of you who are left, I will send faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies. The sound of a driven leaf shall put them to flight, and they shall flee as one flees from the sword, and they shall fall when none pursues. 37 They shall stumble over one another, as if to escape a sword, though none pursues. And you shall have no power to stand before your enemies. 38 And you shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. 39 And those of you who are left shall rot away in your enemies’ lands because of their iniquity, and also because of the iniquities of their fathers they shall rot away like them.

40 “But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers in their treachery that they committed against me, and also in walking contrary to me, 41 so that I walked contrary to them and brought them into the land of their enemies—if then their uncircumcised heart is humbled and they make amends for their iniquity, 42 then I will remember my covenant with Jacob, and I will remember my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 But the land shall be abandoned by them and enjoy its Sabbaths while it lies desolate without them, and they shall make amends for their iniquity, because they spurned my rules and their soul abhorred my statutes. 44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not spurn them, neither will I abhor them so as to destroy them utterly and break my covenant with them, for I am the Lord their God. 45 But I will for their sake remember the covenant with their forefathers, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.”

46 These are the statutes and rules and laws that the Lord made between himself and the people of Israel through Moses on Mount Sinai.


Genesis 3:1-24 ESV

The Fall

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.

He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 The Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
    cursed are you above all livestock
    and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
    and dust you shall eat
    all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
    and you shall bruise his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,

“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
    in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”

17 And to Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
    and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
    ‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
    in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
    and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
    you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
    for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
    and to dust you shall return.”

20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. 21 And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

Genesis 4: 1-12 ESV

Cain and Abel

1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. In the course of time Cain brought to the Lordan offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. The Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.”

Cain spoke to Abel his brother. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him. Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?” 10 And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground. 11 And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength.

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References

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1 https://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/how-are-we-affected-sin