1.25 million people voted from WA, with a yes vote of 63.7 per

Malcolm Turnbull says Australian’s Voted Yes for Love

The nation as a whole has spoken – it was a comprehensive win for the yes vote in the same-sex marriage survey.

And the yes vote was strongly endorsed by West Australians.

More than 1.25 million people voted from WA, with a yes vote of 63.7 per cent – the third strongest vote behind the ACT and Victoria.

The WA voting turnout was strong, particularly given it was a voluntary survey – 78.4 per cent of eligible voters had their say in the West..

Hundreds of West Australians gathered in public places such as the Northbridge Piazza to watch as the Australian Bureau of Statistics delivered the results.

There was nothing but joy at the results, with tears and hugs all around as the comprehensive yes win became apparent.

THE RESULTS

Participation rate by age and sex1)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/nov/15/same-sex-marriage-survey-how-australia-voted-electorate-by-electorate

Full table of results2)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/nov/15/same-sex-marriage-survey-how-australia-voted-electorate-by-electorate

Electorate State Yes % No % Non-responding % Participating %
Banks NSW 44.9 55.1 19.9 80.1
Barton NSW 43.6 56.4 22 78
Bennelong NSW 49.8 50.2 18.8 81.2
Berowra NSW 54.6 45.4 15.3 84.7
Blaxland NSW 26.1 73.9 24.8 75.2
Bradfield NSW 60.6 39.4 16.3 83.7
Calare NSW 60.2 39.8 21.9 78.1
Chifley NSW 41.3 58.7 26.1 73.9
Cook NSW 55 45 17.8 82.2
Cowper NSW 60 40 20.8 79.2
Cunningham NSW 65.7 34.3 18.1 81.9
Dobell NSW 65.7 34.3 21.1 78.9
Eden-Monaro NSW 64.9 35.1 20 80
Farrer NSW 55.2 44.8 22.6 77.4
Fowler NSW 36.3 63.7 27.6 72.4
Gilmore NSW 62 38 19.4 80.6
Grayndler NSW 79.9 20.1 14.9 85.1
Greenway NSW 46.4 53.6 23.5 76.5
Hughes NSW 58.4 41.6 16.2 83.8
Hume NSW 58.6 41.4 21.1 78.9
Hunter NSW 64.4 35.6 21.5 78.5
Kingsford Smith NSW 64.1 35.9 20.3 79.7
Lindsay NSW 56.2 43.8 23.5 76.5
Lyne NSW 55.3 44.7 18.7 81.3
Macarthur NSW 52.1 47.9 24.6 75.4
Mackellar NSW 68 32 16 84
Macquarie NSW 63.9 36.1 17.3 82.7
McMahon NSW 35.1 64.9 22.2 77.8
Mitchell NSW 49.1 50.9 18.4 81.6
Newcastle NSW 74.8 25.2 17.3 82.7
New England NSW 52.5 47.5 23.1 76.9
North Sydney NSW 71.8 28.2 16.2 83.8
Page NSW 59.7 40.3 21.4 78.6
Parkes NSW 52.7 47.3 27.4 72.6
Parramatta NSW 38.4 61.6 25.2 74.8
Paterson NSW 65.5 34.5 20.6 79.4
Reid NSW 52.7 47.3 22.3 77.7
Richmond NSW 67.9 32.1 19.7 80.3
Riverina NSW 54.6 45.4 22.8 77.2
Robertson NSW 65.7 34.3 18.6 81.4
Shortland NSW 67.7 32.3 17.5 82.5
Sydney NSW 83.7 16.3 19.5 80.5
Warringah NSW 75 25 16.1 83.9
Watson NSW 30.4 69.6 23 77
Wentworth NSW 80.8 19.2 17.4 82.6
Werriwa NSW 36.3 63.7 25.9 74.1
Whitlam NSW 62.3 37.7 19.9 80.1
Aston VIC 62 38 18.4 81.6
Ballarat VIC 70.5 29.5 18.3 81.7
Batman VIC 71.2 28.8 16.1 83.9
Bendigo VIC 68.7 31.3 17.3 82.7
Bruce VIC 46.9 53.1 22.3 77.7
Calwell VIC 43.2 56.8 21.1 78.9
Casey VIC 68.1 31.9 16 84
Chisholm VIC 61.6 38.4 17.6 82.4
Corangamite VIC 71.6 28.4 14.9 85.1
Corio VIC 67.7 32.3 16.4 83.6
Deakin VIC 65.7 34.3 15.4 84.6
Dunkley VIC 72 28 18.1 81.9
Flinders VIC 70 30 17.9 82.1
Gellibrand VIC 68.1 31.9 17.8 82.2
Gippsland VIC 60.2 39.8 19.3 80.7
Goldstein VIC 76.3 23.7 14 86
Gorton VIC 53.3 46.7 22.7 77.3
Higgins VIC 78.3 21.7 15.6 84.4
Holt VIC 50.7 49.3 23.2 76.8
Hotham VIC 59.6 40.4 19.6 80.4
Indi VIC 63.1 36.9 17.9 82.1
Isaacs VIC 65.3 34.7 19.2 80.8
Jagajaga VIC 73.5 26.5 14.7 85.3
Kooyong VIC 73.7 26.3 14 86
Lalor VIC 56.8 43.2 23 77
La Trobe VIC 67.5 32.5 17.1 82.9
Mallee VIC 54.3 45.7 21.2 78.8
Maribyrnong VIC 59.9 40.1 21 79
McEwen VIC 65.4 34.6 19.3 80.7
McMillan VIC 62.7 37.3 18.6 81.4
Melbourne VIC 83.7 16.3 17.2 82.8
Melbourne Ports VIC 82 18 17.8 82.2
Menzies VIC 57 43 15.9 84.1
Murray VIC 57.6 42.4 20.4 79.6
Scullin VIC 53.4 46.6 20.1 79.9
Wannon VIC 61 39 18.6 81.4
Wills VIC 70 30 17.1 82.9
Blair QLD 60 40 23.3 76.7
Bonner QLD 62 38 17.6 82.4
Bowman QLD 62.1 37.9 18.6 81.4
Brisbane QLD 79.5 20.5 18.4 81.6
Capricornia QLD 54.1 45.9 25.2 74.8
Dawson QLD 55.1 44.9 25.8 74.2
Dickson QLD 65.2 34.8 18.2 81.8
Fadden QLD 61.8 38.2 23.7 76.3
Fairfax QLD 64.3 35.7 19 81
Fisher QLD 62.8 37.2 19.1 80.9
Flynn QLD 51.5 48.5 24.4 75.6
Forde QLD 60.5 39.5 23.9 76.1
Griffith QLD 76.6 23.4 18.2 81.8
Groom QLD 49.2 50.8 20 80
Herbert QLD 62.8 37.2 27.9 72.1
Hinkler QLD 50.7 49.3 21.8 78.2
Kennedy QLD 46.7 53.3 29.5 70.5
Leichhardt QLD 63.4 36.6 32.2 67.8
Lilley QLD 67.7 32.3 18.6 81.4
Longman QLD 60.4 39.6 22.2 77.8
Maranoa QLD 43.9 56.1 21.8 78.2
McPherson QLD 65.5 34.5 21.9 78.1
Moncrieff QLD 63.8 36.2 24.1 75.9
Moreton QLD 60.9 39.1 20.4 79.6
Oxley QLD 60.3 39.7 23.9 76.1
Petrie QLD 61.6 38.4 21.3 78.7
Rankin QLD 54.6 45.4 25.5 74.5
Ryan QLD 72.7 27.3 15.3 84.7
Wide Bay QLD 55.6 44.4 20.5 79.5
Wright QLD 56.8 43.2 21 79
Adelaide SA 70.1 29.9 18.6 81.4
Barker SA 52.3 47.7 23 77
Boothby SA 68.5 31.5 15.7 84.3
Grey SA 53.3 46.7 24.8 75.2
Hindmarsh SA 63.3 36.7 18.3 81.7
Kingston SA 68.1 31.9 19.3 80.7
Makin SA 60.4 39.6 20.5 79.5
Mayo SA 64.7 35.3 16.2 83.8
Port Adelaide SA 61.3 38.7 23.7 76.3
Sturt SA 61.6 38.4 18.6 81.4
Wakefield SA 61 39 24.3 75.7
Brand WA 67.1 32.9 24 76
Burt WA 57 43 23.8 76.2
Canning WA 60.2 39.8 21.5 78.5
Cowan WA 58.8 41.2 22 78
Curtin WA 72.2 27.8 16 84
Durack WA 59.2 40.8 32.1 67.9
Forrest WA 63.8 36.2 21.1 78.9
Fremantle WA 70.1 29.9 19.4 80.6
Hasluck WA 62.4 37.6 20.3 79.7
Moore WA 68 32 16.8 83.2
O’Connor WA 56.2 43.8 24.3 75.7
Pearce WA 63.9 36.1 23.7 76.3
Perth WA 71.5 28.5 19.5 80.5
Stirling WA 61.1 38.9 21.6 78.4
Swan WA 64.7 35.3 22.3 77.7
Tangney WA 61.6 38.4 16 84
Bass TAS 61.7 38.3 20.8 79.2
Braddon TAS 54 46 24 76
Denison TAS 73.8 26.2 17.6 82.4
Franklin TAS 68.8 31.2 17.3 82.7
Lyons TAS 58.7 41.3 21.9 78.1
Lingiari NT 54.5 45.5 49.9 50.1
Solomon NT 65.3 34.7 33.2 66.8
Canberra ACT 74.1 25.9 16.8 83.2
Fenner ACT 74 26 18.4 81.6

Original Source 01: Date-stamped: 2017, November, 15. | Time-stamped: 7:01 AM | Author: Chris Leitch | Article Link: PerthNow  | Article Title: Same-sex marriage: How Perth, WA voted.

Original Source 02: Date-stamped: 2017, November, 15 | Time-stamped: 10.45 AEDT | Article Link:theguardian.com | Article Title: Full results of Australia's vote for same-sex marriage, electorate by electorate – interactive
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Same-sex marriage: discriminatory bill won’t get through, Malcolm Turnbull says

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says he will not support changing laws to the marriage act to increase discrimination.

Malcolm Turnbull has warned far-reaching religious protections that are discriminatory would “have virtually no prospect of getting through the parliament” as the Coalition grapples with division over how changes to the Marriage Act should look if the Yes vote succeeds in the postal survey.

The Prime Minister said amendments could be passed by any MP in the free vote but cautioned he would not support changing laws to increase discrimination, as some fear would happen if parliament passed a bill drafted by Liberal senator James Paterson.

Senator Paterson’s bill would extend religious protections to allow businesses that provide services to weddings the right to refuse service to gay couples.

Mr Turnbull said MPs would be free to move “any amendments they want” to a private-members bill that enters the parliament to change the Marriage Act.

“I don’t believe Australians would welcome, and certainly the government would not countenance the making legal discrimination that is unlawful today,” Mr Turnbull said.

“The fact is that assuming there is a Yes vote tomorrow — the pollsters will really be rocked if there isn’t — but assuming there is there will be a private-member’s bill and amendments could be moved and if people want to move an amendment of that kind, well they can.

“I think it would have virtually no prospect of getting through the parliament, but as far as the government is concerned, we are keeping our promise.”

He said the conservative push for extensive religious protections did not mean his authority was undermined.

“It is under my prime ministership that all Australians have been given a say on this issue and if the answer is Yes then, as I promised, there will be a free vote and that means that you will have members of my party taking different views to members of the same party and ditto on the Labor side. That is what a free vote means,” he said.

Divorce ‘teachings protected’

Attorney-General Senator George Brandis has warned against creating new forms of discrimination. Picture Kym Smith

Attorney-General George Brandis says the protection of religious freedom does not include “other interests” as he warned against creating a “new form of discrimination”.

“When we talk about the protection of religious freedom, we are talking about the protection of religious freedom, not other interests,” Senator Brandis told Sky News.

“We are certainly not going to remove one form of discrimination and at the same time instate a new form of discrimination.

“You can protect religious freedoms ads — our law does — without creating a new form of discrimination.”

It comes as conservative cabinet minister Mathias Cormann said Dean Smith’s bill was a “good starting point” but further religious protections needed to be added.

Senator Brandis noted divorce had always against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

“I’m a member of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has always said it will not remarry divorced couples,” he said.

“Nobody has ever said that the Catholic Church shouldn’t be allowed to teach that according to Catholic doctrine and teaching that it won’t remarry divorced couples in a Catholic Church, so there is no inhibition on churches at the moment in teaching what their view, according to what their faith and doctrine of marriage means.

Date-stamped: 2017, November, 14. |  Time-stamped: 9:26 am | Author: Greg Brown | Article Title: Same-sex marriage: discriminatory bill won’t get through, Malcolm Turnbull says | Article Link: theaustralian.com.au
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Golden Rule No. 1: Never Trust a Politician! Prime Minister Admits Australians are being Asked to Sign a Blank Cheque SSM

 


Prime Minister Admits Australians are being Asked to Sign a Blank Cheque on Gay Marriage


Posted by Coalition 4 Marriage on September 15, 2017

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull today admitted the Australian people will not know the detail of any final legislation to change the Marriage Act before casting their votes in the plebiscite.

The Australian reports the Prime Minister foreshadowed a lengthy parliamentary debate that would involve numerous as-yet-unseen amendments. In a stunning admission today Prime Minister Turnbull said the government had no control over the legislative process in the Senate.

The Prime Minister said:

“Private members will get a bill to protect religious freedoms and there could be an amendment here and an amendment there, a debate about this and a debate about that… No doubt it will be amended and debated and we don’t have a majority in the Senate and in any event, it is a free vote.”

Coalition for Marriage spokesman Lyle Shelton said this was an extraordinary admission from the Prime Minister.

“The Prime Minister has confirmed the Australian people are being asked to sign a blank cheque,”

said Mr Shelton.

“The Prime Minister has said he does not know the detail of the bill. He has said he does not control the legislative process. He has said that Australians will not know what protections the legislation will or will not contain.

“It’s regrettable that the dynamics in the Senate are such that members of the Government can’t even be relied on to produce a bill that protects parents’ rights, free speech and freedom of religion.

“Given the fact the Prime Minister couldn’t even convince the parliament to hold a plebiscite on marriage in the first place, how can the Australian people have confidence the parliament will ‘get it right’ on protections for parents, speech and faith?

“I say to all Australians – if you don’t know, vote ‘no’,” he concluded.

Alan Jones

A Yes Vote on Same-Sex Marriage will give Politicians a Blank Cheque.

David Flint
Original Source: Date-stamped: 2017, September 15. | Author: Coalition 4 Marriage | Article Title: PRIME MINISTER ADMITS AUSTRALIANS ARE BEING ASKED TO SIGN A BLANK CHEQUE ON GAY MARRIAGE  Article Link: coalitionformarriage.com.au

PROFESSOR DAVID FLINT: A Yes Vote on Same-Sex Marriage Will Give Politicians a Blank Cheque


The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2017 10:00pm

It’s not urgent. That’s what the proponents of same-sex marriage told the High Court. So why are we being rushed into trusting the politicians, giving them a blank cheque in what is no more than a pretend or fake ­referendum?

Voters might recall Alan Jones’s advice on the politicians’ republic: “If you don’t know, vote No.”

As to trusting politicians, it’s hard to think of even one of today’s problems which, if it weren’t created by them, they’ve not made significantly worse. From replacing the lowest ­energy costs in the world with the world’s highest, from declining educational standards to the way the criminal justice system better protects the criminal than the victim, today’s politicians have hardly earned our confidence.

Professor David Flint says politicians have hardly earned our confidence, so why are we now trusting them to change the constitution without telling us what exactly they plan to do?

David Flint

Like Professor Flint, Alan Jones was a one of a small number of media commentators recommending a No vote on whether Australia should be a republic in 1999.

Alan Jones

This is because too many of today’s politicians are out of touch, coming from a narrow class of staffers, union and party officials and chosen not on merit but because of their loyalty to some factional boss or lobbyist.

The founders of this country proposed and the people agreed that the new federal Parliament would be authorised to make laws with respect to a limited range of issues. These ­included marriage.

Although they’d never heard of same-sex marriage, the founders and the people were well aware of other forms of marriage, including polygamy. They certainly weren’t about to give the politicians any power to allow men to have four wives, some underage. The meaning of marriage in the Constitution was — and still is — crystal clear. It means marriage ­between one man and one woman, nothing more and nothing less.

Thousands of demonstrators took part in a same-sex marriage rally in Sydney last weekend. Picture: AFP

This meaning should prevail until the Constitution is properly changed.

In any democracy, words in a constitution must mean what a reasonable person at the time it was adopted thought they meant.

And having seen what can happen in other countries, the founders were very careful that the final decision on changing the Constitution should rest with the people. They certainly weren’t going to leave it to the politicians or indeed, to seven judges.

To make sure the people would be properly informed, it was agreed that the only way to change the Constitution would be by a Swiss-style referendum with the precise change and legislation approved both nationally and, to ensure there was widespread support, in a majority of states.

The founders were well aware of the dangers of using plebiscites to change the Constitution. Like opinion polls, plebiscites are just a question. This can too easily be loaded or misleading, as we saw in the 1995 Quebec secession referendum where exit polls revealed that many Yes voters actually believed they were voting to stay in Canada.

The point is that in a plebiscite all the details and especially the consequences of a Yes vote are not known in advance — they’re not on the table. The voters haven’t the foggiest idea what the politicians will get up to if you give them a Yes vote. Just as in the current postal survey or plebiscite.

The founders had seen how plebiscites — fake referendums — can be used to manipulate the voters. They were well aware that Napoleon Bonaparte and his nephew had used them to soften up the French until they agreed to turn them both into ­emperor-dictators.

Why won’t Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull reveal his hand concerning what happens if a Yes vote gets up? Picture: Kym Smith

Is this a face of someone you give a blank cheque too?

Even where the plebiscite question seems clear, the voters can too easily be misled by being denied the necessary detail. How suspicious it is that the Turnbull government won’t ­reveal whatever legislation will be introduced if the people vote Yes. But even if the government were to reveal their hand now, it still wouldn’t be enough. Unlike a referendum, there’s no guarantee the legislation would be passed or even introduced.

The politicians could subsequently approve new forms of marriage or measures to punish supporters of ­traditional marriage.

Sydney Uni law courses push for Sharia law recognition

We have no idea what these could be. Some European politicians and clergymen have seriously proposed that sharia law be introduced to ­legitimise polygamous marriages, ­demeaning seriously women’s rights.

This could subsequently lead to the recognition of other practices, ­including underage and arranged marriages.

Even where the plebiscite question seems clear, the voters can too easily be misled by being denied the necessary detail. How suspicious it is that the Turnbull government won’t ­reveal whatever legislation will be introduced if the people vote Yes. But even if the government were to reveal their hand now, it still wouldn’t be enough. Unlike a referendum, there’s no guarantee the legislation would be passed or even introduced.

The politicians could subsequently approve new forms of marriage or measures to punish supporters of ­traditional marriage.

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If there is a Yes vote, we have no guarantee that our existing freedoms of speech and religion will be maintained. The bullying and fake news by some of the self-selected leaders of a community, one which seems to only exist in a never-ending series of initials, should put everyone on guard.

There is nothing to stop the introduction of same-sex marriage being used, as it has been in other countries, to step up filling our schools with campaigns to encourage so-called gender fluidity and enforce the access by both sexes to lavatories, showers and change rooms. There is nothing to stop some schools and other charitable institutions being forced to close down and teachers and people generally being gagged.

All of this would have been ­avoided if the details and consequences of the proposed change were on the table before the people vote, as the Constitution clearly requires.

There was no reason why a proper referendum could not have been called to coincide with the next federal election. Instead we are being asked to vote Yes and give a blank heque to, of all people, the politicians.

David Flint, an emeritus professor of law, campaigned for the No case in 1999

Original Source: Date-stamped: 2017 September 12. | Time-stamped: 10:00 pm | Author: The Daily Telegraph | Article Title: DAVID FLINT: A YES VOTE ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WILL GIVE POLITICIANS A BLANK CHEQUE | Article Link: dailytelegraph.com.au
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The Biblical View of Homosexuality (ii)

February, 2013 Frances Swaggart

Over the years we have received many e-mails, letters, phone calls, etc. from former homosexuals, fornicators, gamblers, drug addicts, and many others who have been in bondage to just about every sin you can imagine. Praise the Lord, the majority of them have been Saved! However, there are always those who do not want to change and do not see their need for a Saviour. Yes, we are taking a very strong stand against homosexuality, but I want to make it clear that we also take exactly the same stand against any and all lifestyles of sin. We do not just single out the homosexual.

Unfortunately though, our society has seemingly embarked upon an all-out attempt to make homosexuality acceptable, and so we are compelled as watchmen to address its dangers. There were, in fact, many sins besides homosexuality going on in Sodom and Gomorrah, which contributed to the downfall of these cities, but it was the very nature of the particular sin we are addressing now that ultimately destroyed the life of this entire civilization.

SCRIPTURAL INSIGHT

UNNATURAL. UNSEEMLY. VILE. ERROR & RECOMPENCE.

In order to gain further insight into why this is so, let’s look again at Romans 1:26-32:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile1)dishonor, ignominy, and disgrace. affections: for even their women2)a female did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural3)the nature of things, the force, laws, order of nature, as opposed to that which is monstrous, abnormal, perverse. use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly4)want of form, disfigurement, deformed, one’s nakedness, shame., and receiving in themselves that recompence5)a reward given in compensation, requital, recompense. of their error6)a wandering, roving, or wrong action. which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

You see, homosexuality goes against God’s Law of nature and, therefore, has exceptionally disastrous consequences. As flawed human-beings we always seem to make the mistake of thinking that truth is relative to our own experience, and thereby, elevating our own ideas and philosophies above Biblical Truth.

For instance, the homosexual might say, “Well, I’ve always felt this way, so it must be normal/natural.

But, God’s natural design is quite different.

Every person should strive to know His Order instead of their own “personal preferences.”

PERVERSION

In the above verse of Scripture:


The word “natural” in the Greek is “phusis,” and means “the nature of things, the force, laws, order of nature, as opposed to that which is monstrous, abnormal, perverse.” 


The word “unseemly” in the Greek is “aschemosune,” and means “want of form, disfigurement, deformed, one’s nakedness, shame.” 


The word “vile” is “atimia,” meaning a “dishonor, ignominy, and disgrace.” 


The word “error” is “plane,” and means “a wandering, roving, or wrong action.


It carries the idea of an individual forcing his natural instincts, which were created by God, into perversion.

Sadly, many homosexuals and lesbians have experienced change in emotional, mental, and even physical appearances for the worse. In other words, their homosexuality shows in their mannerisms, which are repulsive because they go against natural/normal design.


The word “women,” as used in the above verse, is not the same word used, such as, in John 4:9. The Greek word used is “thelus,” which means “a female,” a word which points more specifically to the gender role.


The women were not trying so much to change the gender, but rather its purpose respecting the sexual sense. Trying to “change” the purpose is the reason that Paul used the Greek word for “female.”

In the most rebellious and disgraceful way, these women were altering what God had designed for their gender, and in so doing, they took their role from a far higher purpose down to a far lower and degrading use. And, as we have seen, sin is never without its consequences.


Recompence” in the Greek is “antimisthian,” and means “a reward given in compensation, requital, recompense.” 


This word used in the above Scripture from Romans refers to the natural result of their sin as ordained by Divine Law, as it essentially pays them back for what they have done. Many times people try to tell us that there is nothing in the Bible which speaks against homosexuality (which we have more than disproven in this and the previous article), or they only point to the Old Testament, excluding the teachings of the New Testament, such as in the example given below. This is an example of the kind of e-mails I have recently received:

E-MAILS

“Dear God Fearing Souls,

If you are going to use God’s word to attack, condemn and hurt people, then at least be complete in Your ‘Call to Duty.’

I give you the following ammunition to assist you in your Task.

Deuteronomy 22:5 (‘. . . woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man . . .’); Deuteronomy 22:22 (‘If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die . . .’); Exodus 21:15 (‘And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death’); Exodus 21:17 (‘And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death’); Exodus 35:2 (‘. . . on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD . . .’); Leviticus 20:13 (‘If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination . . .’); Leviticus 24:16 (‘And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him . . .’); and, Deuteronomy 21:18-2 (‘. . . our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die . . .’).

I will help you further and sum it up for you. I expect you to show the same hatred and fear that you show homosexuals to children that ‘smiteth’ their parent, children that curseth their parents, adulterers, those that ‘worketh’ on the Sabbath, those wearing clothing of the opposite sex, and those that take the Lord’s name in vain. All are abominations to God and punishable by death (usually stoning).

I expect to see preachers teaching those women wearing pants ‘should be stoned to death.’ I expect people to stand outside of the homes of children ‘who rebelleth against thy parent’ or ‘curseth’ their parents with signs stating they are ‘abominations’ and ‘should be stoned to death.’ I expect God fearing people to come together and ‘stone to death’ those that work on the Sabbath Day. I expect people to tell those committing any of these ‘abominations’ that God hates them and that they are going to Hell. When I see this come to fruition, then I will know ‘You’ are truly following God’s commands completely, as clearly laid out in the Bible.

But until then, I choose to love my neighbour as myself and to know that we are all human, whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, or not ,and all have done something to be ‘stoned to death’ for. I choose to believe in a God that loves instead of hates. You choose your own path and leave me to mine. And, if along the way we should meet, I will gladly offer you a hand if you need it. I pray you might do the same. Amen.”

RESPONSE TO THIS E-MAIL

In response to this e-mail, I first want to say that The Old Testament Law, which you referred to, was completely fulfilled by Jesus Christ when He shed His Precious Blood at Calvary, so punishments like “stoning” are no longer in effect. The old Law of Moses and its penalties were all done away with in Christ. Even the old dietary laws were done away with. Paul said that we are free to eat and partake of these things. It was only the moral law, the sins of the flesh, which carried on to the New Testament including the Ten Commandments. The only one of the Ten Commandments which was not carried over was the law regarding the Sabbath because the Sabbath Day of Rest was a type of the Rest that was fulfilled in Jesus, the Messiah.

In other words, Jesus is “the Day of Rest.” Now, you mentioned Deuteronomy 22:5 which says, “The woman shall not wear that which pertains unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do are an abomination unto the Lord.” This does not mean that a woman is not supposed to wear pants. Men didn’t even wear pants in those days like they do today. They wore robes like a lot of Middle Eastern men still do presently. This verse was simply a statement against cross-dressing in general.

THE NEW TESTAMENT

It is, furthermore, a widely held misconception in the world today that homosexuality is only mentioned and dealt with in the Old Testament. This is a false and outright disregard for God’s Word. Homosexuality has been condemned in the New Testament under the New Covenant as well as under the old Levitical Law.

Here are some more examples besides the ones already mentioned in the beginning of this article. “Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Rom 1:31-32). “Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good” (2 Tim 3:3). “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire” (Jude 1: 7).

All of this evidence cannot be overlooked nor misunderstood. God still considers homosexuality a sin. And, while God is a God of Love, He is also a God of Judgement. Yes, He has given mankind the dispensation of Grace under which to live in for the time being, but that does not mean He will not judge sin. It is just that, under Grace, His Judgement will come after death to those who continued in their life of sin. “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived . . .” (1 Cor 6:9).

THE LOVE OF GOD!

You also addressed the Love of God in your e-mail. God demonstrated the greatest act of Love ever known when He sent His only Son down to Earth to die for all sinners so that we might be Saved. However, God saves man from sin, not in sin. There is no such thing as a homosexual coming to the Lord Jesus Christ and then continuing in his former lifestyle. That is not possible. The harsh truth is that homosexuality is a sin against God, against society, against nature, and against the human body, which should be a temple of the Holy Spirit. The Lord, however, is not a respecter of persons.

In other words, no particular sin makes one sinner any worse than another sinner. He hates all sin, and the wage of every sin is death. Ultimately, though, God loves the sinner! He hates alcohol, but He loves the alcoholic.

He hates murder, but He loves the murderer. And God hates homosexuality, but He loves the homosexual. The answer to homosexuality is not its legalization or public acceptance any more than such absurdity is the answer for the murderer.

There is no profit in saying, “I have no choice in the matter,” “Society just has to accept me as I am,” or “God made me this way.” The answer lies not in trying to justify the sin; the answer is deliverance from this humiliating and corrosive bondage. And, yes, praise God, there is no bondage that Jesus Christ cannot break! When Jesus hung on the Cross at Calvary, he died not only for the heterosexual sinner, but for the homosexual as well.

The Blood He shed on Calvary’s Cross was for everyone! So yes, there is help and hope for the homosexual, but it is not through science, education, or liberalization of laws. It comes only through the repentance of sin and the recognition of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour! This is the only answer there will ever be, and the only way positive change can ever occur! Jesus Christ and Him Crucified is the Only Way!

TRUE LOVE NEVER LIES

So, why, one might ask, are many religious organizations and/or “churches” so tolerant and accepting, refusing to tell homosexuals the Truth? Why are many hiding what the Bible truly teaches?

What do they have to gain by insisting that God will accept homosexuals “just as they are”? The answer is actually quite frightening, the bottom line being that they have a hidden agenda. Now, while the average layman in these churches may not be aware of the plan, those higher in the ranks of leadership know exactly what they are doing. Sinner, please understand that such a leader’s seemingly remarkable reception of you is not because they love you. Remember, love never lies.

Don’t let them fool you with the promise of God’s favor; they know what the Bible says! What these religious elite are actually doing is working with governmental authorities to establish their own “kingdom” on Earth, in which they may rule the masses. You see, it is the ultimate goal of any evil dictatorship to combine church and state.

Why? — because nothing can control people better than religion. It is far more binding than secular socialism or communism, and they know that the homosexual (or sinner of any stripe) will not come to the church if he will be confronted regarding his sin. They cannot easily gain your trust, cooperation, and submission if they offend you, can they?

Listen to Aldous Huxley, member of the Fabian Society which sought the gradual worldwide spread of socialism by peaceful means:

As political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly [sic] to increase. And the dictator . . . will do well to encourage that freedom. In conjunction with the freedom to daydream [shifting focus from reality to fantasy or imagination] under the influence of dope, movies and the radio, it will help to reconcile his subjects to the servitude which is their fate.

Aldous Huxley (Brave New World, Aldous Huxley. New York: Harper Collins, 1932. xvii.)

THE TRUTH!

People who want control will always try to seduce with illusions of acceptance in order to “compensate for the loss of freedom and privacy in the collective or ‘healthy’ community.”7).(Berit Kjos, Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan and UN Goals – Part 3. September 2005). (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/peace-un-3.htm).

Indeed we are now seeing some of America’s most popular politicians and “pastors” working together, supposedly to solve society’s ills and/or manage the crisis events of the nation such as the AIDS crisis, poverty, or terrorism.

These leaders understand that people today are often educated enough to know better than to depend on their government, but many are not quite as reluctant to place trust in a “church.”

In fact, part of the plan is to make the local church a sort-of community center, where all the basic needs of life can be met, including health care.

Listen to Rick Warren’s statement posted on the advertisement for his 2006 Global Summit on AIDS and the Church:

“Just being tested for HIV/AIDS has proven to promote healthier behavior. And in many communities, churches are the most trusted organizations — where people would be willing to go for testing and counseling.”

Yes, they even plan on testing for AIDS, the most dreaded and incurable disease facing the world today. But, what other motives could these men have for gathering and data-banking such information?

Do you really trust religious organizations enough to protect your personal health record, especially one that does not clearly tell you what their most Holy Book really teaches?

Even if you do not agree that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God, wouldn’t you at least rather listen to the people who will honestly tell you what it says? Would you not rather trust someone who openly disagrees with your chosen path of life than one who will lie to you?

The Truth is, God does love you and is reaching out to you through His genuine servants who are telling you the Truth, even if it means losing your friendship.

(This article was originally printed in February, 2008.)

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3. the nature of things, the force, laws, order of nature, as opposed to that which is monstrous, abnormal, perverse.
4. want of form, disfigurement, deformed, one’s nakedness, shame.
5. a reward given in compensation, requital, recompense.
6. a wandering, roving, or wrong action.
7. .(Berit Kjos, Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan and UN Goals – Part 3. September 2005). (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/peace-un-3.htm).

Australia: Subway a “Political” OUTLET (Pro Yes Vote Sales Dockets) Marriage Equity “NO” Voters time VOTE “NO” A SECOND TIME

A Disgraceful Response, franchisee do what they are told to do, Subway is misleading the public.

Subway should not ever be a political voice it is a food outlet.

An Outlet whose clientele will have extensive numbers of voters voting:

“NO” and 

 


Over in Australia, the marriage equality debate is hitting fever pitch.

With the country set to vote on equal marriage rights in the coming weeks, messages encouraging people to vote ‘yes’ to marriage equality are popping up all over the place. In one area in Melbourne, even your Meatball Marinara comes with a message.

A Subway franchise in the city’s Cranbourne Park Shopping Centre has been printing pro-equality messages on its receipts, encouraging all its customers to vote ‘yes’ in the upcoming postal vote.

‘We believe in EQUALITY for ALL Australians,’ the message reads. ‘What about you? Vote “YES” in the Postal Survey. Do it because it’s the right thing to do.’

One sandwich lover posted her receipt on Twitter with glee, writing: ‘Found on @subwayaustralia receipt by Steve King, Melbourne. Thank you, Subway!’


The real credit for this project is goes to the franchisee, Steve King.

Steve’s team have been really ramping up the pro-equality message in their store in recent weeks, handing out pamphlets and badges to customers to encourage both voter registration and a ‘yes’ vote.

In addition, the in-store screens have been used to promote a number of posters from Australian Marriage Equality’s ‘Yes’ campaign, replacing the usual messages of new sandwiches or combo deals. Definitely a better use of electricity.

In a statement, Subway Australia says:

‘Each franchisee is a small business owner in their local community with their own personal views and beliefs. At Subway respect for every individual is a core value. We are committed to treating every person with honour, dignity and respect — regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.’


Date-stamped: 8 Sep 2017 | Time-stamped: 12:16 pm | Author: Tom Connick for metro.co.uk | Article Title: Subway store prints pro-marriage equality message on its receipts | Article Link: metro.co.uk 

A suggestion for (Marriage Equity “NO” Voters):

VOTE “NO” A SECOND TIME

Take your feet to another Food outlet one that has had the sense to stay out of the political arena of a massive social issue within Australia connected to morality and Right and Wrong!

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Fathers are Male, Men are Male, Boys are Male and Fathers Day is Fathers Day! is Woolworth’s promoting a political agenda on Father’s Day.

SHOPPERS are outraged over a Woolworths mud cake that hit shelves on Father’s Day with icing that read “Special Person’s Day”.

The photograph of the cake was uploaded to the Woolworths Facebook page by a Queensland father on Sunday. It was quickly reshared by dozens of others who called the supermarket giant out on failing to recognise Aussie dads.

One man commented: “This is a disgrace and total disrespect to all fathers in Australia today …

How dare you Woolworths?”

Another wrote: “Please keep Father’s Day to celebrate Dads, and don’t disappoint Australia with your political “special person” cakes.”

One woman said the cake was a “slap in the face to all the wonderful dads”.

“If you want to support a “Special Persons Day”, do it on any other day! So disappointed that you would make this divisive political statement,” she added.
However, others said they disagreed with the backlash against “Special Person’s Day”, saying not all Australians had fathers in their lives.

“There may be other people in their life that may have to take that role on. I truly celebrate that you have created a cake saying “Special person’s Day” because for every family that does not have a mother or father around and someone else to fill that massive role, they are 100% a very special person. Well done Woolies!” A woman wrote.

Another congratulated Woolworths on “taking into consideration other people’s circumstances”.

“My son doesn’t have his father around a very sad day for him in fact but you turned it into a positive by providing a cake acknowledging a special person so he gave that to his uncle to say thank you for being a special part of his life, all round a happy day instead of a sad one,” the woman said.
A Woolworths spokesman responded to customers over Facebook, saying the contentious photograph had been cropped out not to show other cakes that contained “Happy Father’s Day” messages.

“We’re currently looking into this display with our store teams. We want to reassure you that we’re helping all customers across Australia celebrate Father’s Day as seen from our store displays, products and recipe ideas. Cropped out of this image are a range of decorative cakes that have different messages on them, including ‘Dad’ and ‘Happy Father’s Day’. Thanks again for sharing.” Link: news.com.au

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Fact check: Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?

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Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?

Find out the answer Read below.

From mid-September, Australians will begin receiving survey forms for the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey, which the Government has commissioned in place of a plebiscite.

A common claim made about same-sex marriage is that Australia lags behind the countries we like to compare ourselves to.

Back in 2015, after the successful referendum to bring in same-sex marriage in Ireland, then Australian Marriage Equality director Rodney Croome asserted that Australia was “the last developed English-speaking country not to allow same-sex couples to marry”.

And in September 2016, Greens MP Adam Bandt told Parliament that “we are now the only developed, English-speaking country to not have equal marriage laws”.

One of the latest to make the claim is Opposition frontbencher Andrew Leigh.

“We’re the last advanced English-speaking country not to allow same-sex marriage,” Mr Leigh told Sky News.

Mr Leigh is not the first or last to make a similar claim. But what are the facts? RMIT ABC Fact Check finds out.

The verdict

Mr Leigh’s claim is overstated.

Most of the countries that Australia shares political, economic and social links with have legalised same-sex marriage.

However, we are not the only “advanced English-speaking country” that has failed to do so.

Singapore, an advanced English-speaking country with a population of almost 6 million people, has not even decriminalised sexual acts between two men, let alone legalised same-sex marriage.

And not all parts of the United Kingdom have same-sex marriage — it is still not legal in Northern Ireland.

Basis for comparison

Mr Leigh refers to a set of countries that are “advanced” and “English-speaking”.

Fact Check has assessed “English-speaking” countries as those with English as an official language.

This will necessarily include countries that have multiple official languages — such as Singapore, South Africa and Canada — and those where English is the language of government and the law but not the most widely spoken in everyday life.

There are at least 70 countries or self-governing/semi-autonomous entities (such as Hong Kong) where English is an official language.

These range from small places such as the Falkland Islands (population of around 2,900 people) to India (more than 1 billion people, where English remains an official language “for official purposes of the Union and for use in Parliament”).

And what is an advanced country? Mr Leigh’s office told Fact Check that he used “advanced” as another word for “developed”.

Unfortunately, there is no settled definition of what a “developed” country is.

Fact Check has considered several metrics:

• The International Monetary Fund’s list of 39 “advanced” economies.The list includes a number of economies that are not sovereign nations including Hong Kong, Macau and Puerto Rico. Only ten of these economies are English-speaking.

• The 35 members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development or OECD. Six of these countries are English-speaking.

• The 51 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index said to have “very high human development”. Nine of these countries are English-speaking.

In short, Fact Check has found there to be 10 countries or territories that are advanced (on at least one of the metrics) and have English as an official language.

The results

Out of the ten “advanced” countries or territories with English as an official language, six have legalised same-sex marriage throughout the country. One — the United Kingdom — has legalised same-sex marriage in most of the country.

English-speaking

economy/country

IMF

Advanced economies

OECD Members

HDI – Very High

Human Development

Same-sex marriage
Australia Yes Yes Yes No
Canada Yes Yes Yes Yes
Hong Kong SAR Yes No Yes No
Ireland Yes Yes Yes Yes
Malta Yes No Yes Yes
New Zealand Yes Yes Yes Yes
Puerto Rico Yes No No Yes
Singapore Yes No Yes No
United Kingdom Yes Yes Yes Partially
United States Yes Yes Yes Yes
Sources: International Monetary Fund; Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development; United Nations Human Development Index; Official documents

Same-sex marriage is not legal anywhere in Singapore or Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China, so on its own cannot be considered a “country”, though same-sex marriage is not legal in mainland China either.

Singapore has not legalised same-sex marriage, and in fact homosexual acts are still illegal in that country.

The situation in the United Kingdom is more difficult to characterise.

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and the different countries/regions can make their own laws in some areas.

Same-sex marriage is legal in England, Scotland and Wales, but is not legal in Northern Ireland.

This means that same-sex marriages cannot take place in Northern Ireland and are recognised as civil partnerships rather than marriages in that territory.

A spokesman for the Northern Ireland Department of Finance told Fact Check:

“The law of Northern Ireland does not allow for same-sex marriage, but it does allow for same-sex civil partnerships, which confer similar rights and responsibilities; same-sex marriages that are conducted in England, Wales or Scotland are recognised as civil partnerships under the law of Northern Ireland.

Same-sex relationships from other jurisdictions may be recognised as civil partnerships in Northern Ireland…

On 17 August 2017 the High Court in Northern Ireland ruled that there is no obligation to introduce same-sex marriage.”

British citizens are able marry their same-sex partner in many British diplomatic posts overseas, including in Australia.

The marriages are valid as if they had taken place in the relevant part of the United Kingdom (as elected by the applicant).

Consular marriages cannot be conducted if “Northern Ireland” is elected, but there is nothing stopping a person from nominating England, Scotland or Wales even if they come from Northern Ireland.

Some of the British islands near the United Kingdom — such as the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, Alderney and Herm) and the Isle of Man — are not part of the UK and in fact are “crown dependencies” with their own legal systems.

Same-sex marriage is legal in the Isle of Man and most of the territory governed by Guernsey, but not the most populous island Jersey.

Australia is clearly towards the back of the (English-speaking, advanced country) pack when it comes to legalising same-sex marriage, but it is not alone.

Last English-speaking democracy?

Others have made claims around Australia being the last English-speaking democracy without same-sex marriage.

Again, this is an exaggeration.

Fact Check considered at the The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index, which lists countries on a spectrum from full democracy to authoritarian.

Fact Check also took into account the annual Freedom in the World report, published by the US based Freedom House, which rates countries not free, partially free and free.

Out of the English-speaking countries listed as “full” or “flawed” democracies or “free” or “partially free”, only seven have legalised same-sex marriage.

A narrower claim was made in an August 14 tweet from the Sydney Mardi Gras, which stated there is same-sex marriage in “Every major English-speaking democracy EXCEPT Australia”.

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The accuracy of that statement depends on the definition of “major”.

But given the list of democratic English-speaking countries without same-sex marriage includes Singapore (with a population greater than New Zealand or Ireland) and India (with a population of over a billion people), it again goes too far.

All of these comparisons demonstrate that while Australia may be behind those countries that are culturally and economically similar to Australia, there are many English-speaking countries that have not legalised same-sex marriage, many of which can be fairly called “democracies”.

Broader claim, same result

Some politicians and campaigners have gone beyond Mr Leigh’s formulation to claim that Australia is the only English-speaking country that has not legalised same-sex marriage.

Andrew Hastie, Liberal MP from Western Australia and a known opponent of same-sex marriage, told the Parliament on October 13, 2016:

“It is true that Australia is the last English-speaking country in the world to redefine marriage.

We can learn from international experience, and I dare say that we need to appreciate the consequences.”

A few days later, Matt Keogh, a Labor MP also from Western Australia, similarly told the Parliament “we are the last English-speaking nation to make this change”.

When the Senate considered same-sex marriage in early 2017, the organisation Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) stated in a submission:

“It is time to recognise that we are the last English-speaking country that still discriminates against same-sex-attracted couples.”

More recently Professor Kerryn Phelps, Deputy Lord Mayor of the City of Sydney, told a forum on August 3, 2017:

“So many Australians are saying, ‘hang on, this is really an issue, we’re the only remaining English-speaking country without marriage equality.”

These claims are inaccurate.

Fact Check has found that out of 70 countries and self-governing areas that have English as an official language, only fourteen have legalised same-sex marriage.

These are Bermuda, Canada, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Ireland, Isle of Man, Malta, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, parts of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Africa, the United States and most of the United Kingdom.

Sources

Date-stamped: 2017, Aug 25. | Time-stamped: Posted Friday at 04:52 | Article Link:  abc.net.au | Article Title: Fact check: Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?
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The Biblical View of Homosexuality (i)

by Frances Swaggart October, 2012 The Evangelist

(This article was originally printed in January, 2008)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet” (Rom 1:26-27).

After reading a vast variety of emails, articles, news clips, etc., I feel strongly impressed by the Holy Spirit to address the very delicate and controversial issue of homosexuality, not only homosexuality as society knows it to be, but God’s Biblical standard concerning it.

I do not wish to speak from standards of my own making here nor the ethical standards of our modern culture, but from the standards of a Holy God who has asked me to reach out to all who will hear Him concerning this very critical issue of our time.

I hope to make it clear to you how the Lord feels about homosexuality and, as well, His Solution for this terrible sin.

I once heard a wise man say that while God is the greatest embodiment of Love which has ever existed or will ever exist, it is not love that makes Him God.

God is God because of His Power! He is God because of His Authority! He is All-Powerful, All-Mighty, and All-Knowing. Yes, God is Love, but love is not God.

The Love of God is Holy. This presents a problem for a fallen, sinful creation. Mankind cannot receive the Love of God without willingly submitting to His Order and Authority by the Way of the Cross.

The Sacrifice of His Son, Jesus, for the Redemption of our sins was God’s way of showing us that within His great Power was also great Love. But, the conditions inherent in this Way of the Cross must be met for a man to receive the Love of God on a personal basis — to receive Salvation.

We must make Jesus both our Savior and our Lord.

Therefore, the Way of the Cross requires a man to surrender lordship of his own life to God, and he must also agree with God that it is His Standards alone which constitute Holiness.

Therefore, if God deems anything to be sin, man must agree. It is not man’s right to make the distinction between right and wrong; that is His right as Lord.

His Spirit is, in fact, speaking continually to the hearts of men: “I am the Lord.” We are without excuse. “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and He said, Thus shall you say unto the Children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you” (Ex 3:14).

THE WORD “HOMOSEXUALITY”

Many today would try to argue that we can’t be sure how the Lord views homosexuality, because the specific word, “homosexuality,” is not found in Scripture.

However, this argument is completely foolish, because the Bible does use plenty of other words and phrases which mean precisely the same thing. Besides, the word, “homosexuality,” did not even enter the English vocabulary until the early Twentieth Century. It is, in fact, for this peculiar sin that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, giving the word “sodomy” its Biblical origin.

In Ecclestical Latin, “sodomy” is translated “pecatum Sodomiticum,” or the “sin of Sodom.” “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly” (Gen 13:13). “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And He overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground” (Gen 19:24-25).

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel” (Deut 23:17). “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the Children of Israel” (1 Kings 14:24). “And he broke down the houses of the sodomites, who were by the House of the LORD . . .” (2 Kings 23:7).

THE MEANING OF HOMO SEXUALITY

Also, referring specifically to homosexual acts, Leviticus 18:22 says: “You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 says: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” And perhaps, the most obvious evidence that the Lord opposes homosexuality is that it is simply unnatural.

It clearly goes against His intention as Creator because it goes against the natural sexual expression of human beings. It also tears down the Spiritual Type the Lord intended for marriage to display. God created marriage, as a covenant relationship between a man and woman, as a picture of the covenant relationship a Believer enters into with the Lord when he is Born-Again.

A Christian becomes one with Christ as a husband and wife become one. The family unit then becomes a means of protection, security, and love, which demonstrates the very provision the Lord provides for His Children. “And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Gen 2:22-24).

1 Corinthians 6:9, uses the word “effeminate,” which is a Greek word specifically meaning “sodomite” or “male homosexual prostitute.” It does not merely refer to a man with feminine qualities like we use it today. I Timothy 1:10 uses the phrase, “. . . them that defile themselves with mankind. . . .

The Greek word used in this verse is “arsenokoitais,” and means “male homosexuals.

Referring back to I Corinthians 6:9, this same Greek word was also originally used in place of the phrase, “. . . abusers of themselves with mankind.

Therefore, “arsenokoites,” more specifically refers to “abusers,” or “to be guilty of unnatural offenses; a sodomite; a homosexual; a sex pervert.

The Holy Spirit, here, likens homosexuality to predatorial abuse, even the abuse of oneself.

THE GREATEST SIN?

Yet, today, in city after city, there are entire areas given over to the homosexual lifestyle. The acceptance of this practice in modern society has been gradually building for sometime now, but in the last several years we have seen an explosion in its growth, as the minds of reprobate men fail to understand its far-reaching consequences.

With this delusion has also come the “demand” for the approval, inclusion, and support of homosexual “rights.” The demand is harsh and determined, and it is not only coming from homosexuals, but from our very own government.

They press on, despite the fact that, historically-speaking, every time a city was inflicted with this vice and left to run its natural course, the city became so shaken that it crumbled and fell.

Homosexual practice is, in fact, widely recognized as one of the causes for the downfall of the Roman Empire. They destroyed themselves by their own perversion, similar to ancient civilizations that literally sacrificed themselves out of existence.

This is exactly what we are facing today in the United States! From this point on, every decision we make concerning the issue of homosexuality will have lasting effects on our survival, not only as a nation, but as a human race.

In times past, it was only particular segments of the world which were permeated with this vile sin and destroyed.

Today, because it is embraced worldwide, the entire global community stands to be judged. This is absolutely one of the greatest signs of the times before us! Get ready, saints, for our “Redemption draweth nigh!”

THE TRUTH!

It is evident that intolerance and outrage is already coming from both sides of the fence in America. The battle cry has been sounded, the fight has been started, and the stones have been thrown. Indeed, the nation is once-again divided, and the war for the soul of America has begun!

So, how should a Christian fight?

Certainly not with hate, because it is not the sinner which God hates; rather, it is his sin.

It is homosexuality that we are against, not the homosexual.

A true Christian will do everything possible to show a homosexual the Love of God and the Way of the Cross, for he realizes that he was also once lost in his sin.

We would also welcome any homosexual to come to Family Worship Center as long as you conduct yourself properly and do not disrupt the Service in any way (which is the same requirements we have for everyone who attends our Services).

We look at our church like a hospital; it is there so the sick may receive Healing. Just understand, though, that we will preach the Truth regarding sin.

A true Christian can never fail to tell the homosexual the truth about his sin, no matter how much others may misinterpret the attitude of his heart. Love does not lie. The Apostle Paul once asked, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” (Gal. 4:16).

SEXUAL PREFERENCE

Under a distorted version of what some homosexual activists are calling “freedom,” there is a movement taking place today which is designed to convince the American people that homosexuality is normal and that the homosexual’s perverse practices are only a matter of “sexual preference,” something to be seen as perfectly natural and non-threatening.

But, if everyone practiced this lifestyle, we would quickly see the extinction of the human race! How can we simply call any so-called “preference,” which puts man on the endangered species list, normal or natural? It doesn’t even adhere to America’s Declaration of Independence which was written to guarantee us “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” 

How can we have life without procreation?

On a spiritual level, the reality is that Satan despises the fact that man has been favored by God.

The Devil’s wish is to destroy His highest Creation.

Homosexuality is his most conscientious effort to eliminate the human race.

It not only stops procreation, but destroys the family unit.

Already, more than one spouse has been abandoned due to unnatural lust, and more than one marriage was forsaken before it ever took place at all. Homosexuality is, thereby, demonic in nature as unclean spirits aid Satan’s goal to “steal, kill, and destroy” (John 10:10).

THE LAW!

Of course, laws cannot put a person in right standing with God, because the problem is more than ethical, it is spiritual, but laws help guide society as a whole. This is why it is important for Christians to vote in the right laws for our country and speak out as much as possible.

However, this is also why homosexual advocates are pressuring the Christian community, as well as the heterosexual community in general, to cater to the homosexual agenda in every way possible. In the mean time, our minds are being desensitized by the media.

Every time we turn around we find that a homosexual character in a story is also the hero of the story. Or, another one of our favorite celebrities unashamedly announces his homosexuality.

We laugh at their jokes and admire their talents, but what we forget is that the homosexual community will not stop until it becomes a crime in America for anyone to call a homosexual act a sin. In fact, we just recently saw another major step in this direction.

Bill HR 2015 (a.k.a. the Employment Non-Discrimination Act), which prevents employers from refusing to hire someone based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, just passed the House.

Most of the time America’s citizens are denied the chance to speak out against the homosexual agenda, and those who try are quickly labeled as homophobic, narrow minded, and ignorant.

But, may we not force our moral and spiritual conscience to take a back seat because we fear our peers and the labels they may give us.

If homosexuals can “come out of the closet,” so must we.

Christians claim to be people of Faith, but remember that James said it well, “. . . Faith without works is dead” (James 2:26).

THE RIGHT SPIRIT

Also, contrary to popular opinion, it is possible for a person to speak out against homosexuality and vote against homosexual agendas without hating the homosexual or treating him harshly in any way. Anyone who does such is not dealing with the issue with a correct spirit or attitude.

And, so-called “Christians” who do such are actually hurting the cause of Christ. Yet, organizations are being formed today, which wish to label anyone who will clearly speak the Truth according to the Bible, as a “religious bigot.” For example, one organization called, Faith In America, is actively holding educational campaigns across America.

They state on their website  (www.faithinamerica.com): “The fundamental mission of Faith In America is to end bigotry disguised as religious truth and in doing so, ensure full and equal civil rights for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community in America.”

These organizations try to put homosexuality in the same category as race or gender.

But, the two are not comparable, because the Bible does not label race or gender as sin like it does homosexuality.

Actually, Christians cannot accurately be called “bigots,” because the definition of a “bigot” includes prejudice. Prejudice cannot exist in the proper understanding that the ground is level at the foot of the Cross.

The only thing the true Christian is against, is sin.

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Are homosexuals born that way? Part 1 & 2

By Jimmy Swaggart. Extracted from “The Evangelist” 

Part 1 January, 2011

Since men chose to give up God and worship the creature, God could do nothing but give men into the control of the sinful things they preferred.

QUESTION: Are homosexuals born that way? 

ANSWER: No!

We will address ourselves to that to a greater degree momentarily.

There are several places in the Word of God which addresses itself to this perversion (Gen 19:1-13; Lev 18:22; Lev 20:13; Deut 23:17-18; Judg 19:22; Rev 22:15); however, we will address ourselves primarily to Romans 1:24-28.

Hopefully in these Passages given by the Holy Spirit to the Apostle Paul, your questions will be answered.

SEXUAL UNCLEANNESS

Paul said, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves (Rom. 1:24).

The phrase, “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,” presents mankind not merely drifting toward, but actually, in a sense, being shoved by God in that direction.

Since men chose to give up God and worship the creature, God could do nothing but give men into the control of the sinful things they preferred. In other words, God would not violate man’s will and force him to do something he did not want to do. When men persisted in following their totally depraved natures, God allowed them free rein. The natural result was immorality of the vilest kind.

Alford1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Alford says of God’s Act of delivering mankind over into the control of utter human depravity, “Not merely permissive, but judicially, God delivered them over. As sin begets sin, and darkness of mind, deeper darkness, Grace gives place to Judgement, and the Divine Wrath hardens men, and hurries them on to more fearful degrees of depravity.” God, in other words, delivered man to uncleanness.

The word “lusts” is “epithumia” in the Greek Text, and means, “a passionate craving, longing, desire,” and in this sense, an inordinately sinful one.

Alford again says, “Not by or through the lusts; the lusts of their heart were the field of action, the department of their being in which the dishonor took place.” In other words, this was what their hearts wanted.

The phrase, “To dishonor their own bodies between themselves,” carries with it more than mere profligacy in the satisfaction of natural lusts, but rather bestiality, which refers to impurity in the physical, and not only in the social and religious sense. In other words, man is grossly immoral.

It speaks of adultery, fornication, pedophilia (sex with children), bestiality (sex with animals), lesbianism, and homosexuality. In other words, this “dishonor” includes all of these things mentioned.

CHANGING THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE

Paul said, “Who changed the Truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed forever. Amen” (Rom. 1:25).

The phrase, “Who changed the Truth of God into a lie,” refers back to Verse 23, which speaks of spiritual and sexual uncleanness.

In the realm of idolatry, it refers to the images of men, birds, cattle, dogs, crocodiles, frogs, and snakes, which are common among all idolaters.

Such idolatry has been the root of all the abominable immoralities of the heathen.

For man to worship and serve the creature, means he is doing such to something he has made with his hands and is, therefore, less than him.

The idols have been the patrons of licentiousness.

When they formed their gods in human shape, they endowed them with passions and represented them as slaves to disgraceful sex perversions and as possessing unlimited powers of sexual gratification.

However, this condition of men’s hearts in purposely refusing the Truth of God, led to the Lord using no restraining force over man whatsoever, allowing him without restraint to push headlong into this lie of darkness, which, in effect, is the same as God giving man a push. Considering man’s already depraved condition, the slide even further downward was terrible, to say the least!

As we see here, the words, “God also gave them up,” as given in Verse 24, is a restraining force exercised by God even on unregenerate mankind, unless refused, which it was and continues to be.

As well, there is far greater restraining force on Believers as should be obvious (Job 1:10; Ps 91; Rom 8:28).

However, this restraining force even on Believers can be removed, as well, through disobedience and rebellion.

The phrase, “And worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,” (Rom 1:25) presents that of which Paul spoke in his Message to the Athenians (Acts 17:29-30).

For man to worship and serve the creature, means he is doing such to something he has made with his hands and is, therefore, less than him.

Regarding the “creature,” even if man worships himself or other men and women, which most of the world does, still, what good does that do him?

The phrase, “Who is blessed forever,” should have been translated, “bless-ed,” because it refers to God.

The word ‘vile’ in the Greek Text is ‘atimia,’ and means ‘dishonor, ignominy, and disgrace.’

The word “blessed” refers to one receiving a blessing, in which, as should be obvious, God needs nothing.

The two syllable word “bless-ed,” in effect, refers to the One doing the Blessing, in this case, the Lord.

 

The idea is all True Blessings come exclusively from the Lord, with idols or anything else for that matter, able to produce none at all.

The word “Amen” means that this is anchored in the Word of God, and, as such, will not change.

WOMEN AND HOMOSEXUALITY

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature” (Rom. 1:26).

The phrase, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections,” presents once again the people purposely and with forethought rejecting God, desiring instead a way of gross evil, with the Lord removing His restraints and, therefore, giving them unimpeded access to their desires.

It must be remembered that the way down picks up speed as it goes, therefore, making it more and more difficult to stop or turn around, even though desire to do so may ultimately come about.

I speak of the untold millions who are hooked on alcohol, drugs, immorality, gambling, or any vice one may name. It begins oftentimes as a lark, but as the acceleration downward increases, it becomes more and more difficult to stop, actually impossible without the help of God.

DISHONOR

The word “vile” in the Greek Text is “atimia,” and means “dishonor, ignominy, and disgrace.” 

The first word in this meaning is “dishonor,” and looking at the meaning of its opposite “honor,” means to evaluate the worth of a person and to treat him with the consideration, respect, and love due his character and position.

Let it ever be understood, man can never improve upon that which God has done. He cannot add to it, or take away from it, at least with any positive results.

Conversely, to dishonor a person is to either put an incorrect appraisal upon his worth and treat him accordingly, or, having properly evaluated his character, to refuse to treat him with the respect and deference that are his due.

Paul is using this in the sense of the world putting an incorrect estimate upon the sacredness, dignity, and purity of the physical body which was made by God and, in effect, in God’s Image, and thus, using it in a way which dishonors it.

In that this is what the world wanted, they were given over to a “condition,” and not merely to an evil desire. It is one thing for an individual to do something which is very evil, but something else altogether for that person to “become” what they do, which is always where sin leads one. As stated, the problem can only be rectified by the Saving Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

LESBIANISM

The phrase, “For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature,” in short, speaks of lesbianism — unnatural sexual relations between women (homosexuality).

Several things are said here:

The word “women” as used here is not the word used as in John 4:9, which simply speaks of designation, but rather the Greek word “thelus” which means “a female.” In other words, the Holy Spirit through Paul is pointing to the gender, meaning that it is to stay that way.

That women tried to “change” the purpose of their gender, is the reason that Paul used the Greek word for “female.” They were not trying so much to change the gender, but rather its purpose respecting the sexual sense.

Consequently, they were changing what God had designed, and doing so in a rebellious, base, and ignominious way. They went from a far higher use down to a far lower use. Even though this is one of the worst, or possibly the very worst example, still, this is the great sin of man, changing God’s Ways for man’s ways, and in every capacity.

• The “natural use” presents that intended by God, in this sense, the way sexually that women were originally created.

The word “natural” in the Greek is “phusis,” and means “the nature of things, the force, laws, order of nature, as opposed to that which is monstrous, abnormal, perverse.

• That which is “against nature” respects that which is against Nature’s laws, or God’s Laws, which are one and the same.

MEN AND HOMOSEXUALITY

Paul said, “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet” (Rom. 1:27).

The phrase, “And likewise also the men,” presents the word “men” used in the same fashion as the word “women” in the previous Verse.

The Holy Spirit through Paul is not pointing out the mere designation of man, but rather the male as distinguished from a female. These terms are used because only the distinction of sex is contemplated.

The phrase, “Leaving the natural use of the woman” speaks of the sex act which is to be performed between the man and his wife. This natural way formed and made by God, is set aside, in favor of that which is far, far lower.

Let it ever be understood, man can never improve upon that which God has done. He cannot add to it, or take away from it, at least with any positive results. He always drops down to a lower level, which is the problem with the world, and always has been since the Fall.

The Holy Spirit through the Apostle is using this example of lesbianism and homosexuality, because it portrays in the most glaring way, the obvious truth of these statements. In other words, this example portrays in the worst way the folly of changing God’s Designed Direction, and designed, I might quickly add, for our good and not harm.

However, I must remind the Reader, that there is no ‘professional help’ for something of this nature or any sin for that matter, be it great or small.

Actually, this is one of Satan’s greatest ploys, even as he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden. He tried to make them think that God was withholding some good things from them, exactly as men think today; however, let it ever be known, that all good things are found in the Ways of God, and not outside those Ways. Satan has no good ways, only bondage.

While he is able to offer some pleasure and can titillate the flesh somewhat, without exception, his efforts will lead to destruction. In other words, the Marlboro man dies of cancer.

The phrase, “Burned in their lust one toward another,” refers to that which is terrible in its intensity.

The word “burned” in the Greek is “ekkaio,” and means “to burn out,” and can be explained as “the rage of lust.

Robertson2)https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/teb.html defines it as, “to inflame with lust.” In other words, this type of lust satiates or consumes the entirety of the individual. It is an all-out endeavor to satisfy their totally-depraved natures.

Once again, we are speaking here of homosexuality.

The phrase, “Men with men working that which is unseemly,” specifies its direction.

PEDOPHILES

The word, “working” taken from Verse 27 in the Greek is “katergazomai,” which means “to perform, accomplish, achieve, to do that from which something results, to carry to its ultimate conclusion.” It is a “lust” which will not be satisfied until it obtains its desired results.

Many would ask as to how a man could take advantage of a little boy, sexually molesting him, when the man knows in his heart the child will be greatly affected mentally and emotionally?

The answer is obvious, it is “lust” which drives the person and will not quit until it is momentarily satisfied.

As well, each act takes the man lower and lower in its depravity.

At this stage, it is not why the man does such a thing, but that he has reached the point to where he has no choice in the matter. That is the reason that many pedophiles openly state, if given the opportunity they will do such again.

They are right!

Within themselves it is not possible for the situation to be changed.

At this stage and even long before, the favorite word used, and even by the Church is, “they need professional help!” Of course, they are speaking of Psychological counseling, etc.

However, I must remind the Reader, that there is no “professional help” for something of this nature or any sin for that matter, be it great or small.

I would ask the reader to think back to the Catholic situation, where scores of Priests have been exposed as being pedophiles. The Catholic system has the greatest psychologists in the world. As well, many, if not most, of these Priests have undergone untold hours of psychological counseling, but with no positive effect. To be sure, if psychological counseling was the answer, it would have worked in those situations. It didn’t work, because it cannot work.

CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED

The only answer is Jesus Christ and what He did for us at the Cross (Rom 6:1-14; Rom 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor 1:17-18, 23; 1 Cor 2:2; Col 2:14-15).

As we have previously said, and will continue to say over and over again, if, in fact, man has the answer for these problems in the realm of psychoanalysis, or any other way, Jesus Christ made an unnecessary trip down to this sin-benighted world to die on Calvary, thereby, paying a terrible price to redeem humanity.

Once again I remind the reader, man’s problem is sin, not environment, association, or education, even though these things certainly may have some affect.

And once again I say, man’s solution is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, and that alone! In other words, there is no other answer.

Also, I remind the reader, Jesus needs no help in this capacity, for, in effect, He has already effected the cure, which is His Shed Blood coupled with His Power.

For the Church to look elsewhere, to do otherwise, to think otherwise, is not just sin, but actually, rank, raw, ignominious blasphemy.

ALTERNATE LIFESTYLE?

The evil consequences are necessary as ordained by Divine Law. When one violates the Laws of Nature (God), one must pay the price.

The word “unseemly” as used in the Twenty-seventh Verse, in the Greek is “aschemosune,” and means “want of form, disfigurement, deformed, one’s nakedness, shame.

It does not matter that modern man may attempt to label homosexuality as merely an “alternate lifestyle,” insinuating that there is nothing wrong with this direction, the Truth is the opposite, and irrespective of what type of erroneous laws that Congress may make, or the Supreme Court may judge. Man’s law in no way changes God’s Laws, i.e., that which God has deemed will happen!

The awful results will always come about, irrespective of how much man may attempt to apply a seal of approval to this issue, or any other issue pertaining to Life and Godliness.

ERROR

The phrase, “And receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet,” refers to the penalty that is attached to wrongdoing, and if persisted, will always be brought about.

Recompense” in the Greek is “antimisthian,” and means “a reward given in compensation, requital, recompense.

The word here refers to that natural result of their sin which pays them back for what they have done. The evil consequences are necessary as ordained by Divine Law. When one violates the Laws of Nature (God), one must pay the price.

The word “error” in the Greek is “palne,” and means “a wandering, roving, or wrong action.” It carries the idea of an individual leaving the natural instincts created by God and forcing those instincts into perversion.

The “wandering, roving, wrong action” steadily gets worse and worse, with the “error” becoming more and more pronounced.

An excellent example is the many homosexuals and lesbians who have had their mental, emotional, and even physical appearances changed, and for the worst.

In other words, their homosexuality shows in their mannerisms, which again are unnatural and repulsive.

THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY

The Bible has much to say about this sin, as it does all sin. 

Historically, according to the Bible, homosexual behavior was linked with idolatrous cult prostitution (1 Ki 14:24; 1 Ki 15:12; 1 Ki 22:46).

However, the stern warning against this practice is included in Levitical Law, and upheld under the New Covenant as well, even respecting these Passages in Romans, which we are now studying (Lev 18:22; Lev 20:13).

The evil consequences are necessary as ordained by Divine Law. When one violates the Laws of Nature (God), one must pay the price.

In this Chapter, to which we have already alluded, Paul greatly condemns homosexual acts, lesbian as well as male, putting them in the same breath, in a sense, as idolatry. However, his theological canvas is broader than the expression of the homosexual act regarding idolatry, but is rather held up as the terrible exchange fallen man has made in departing from his Creator’s intention. Seen from this angle, every homosexual act is unnatural, not so much because it cuts across the individual’s natural sexual orientation, or even infringes Old Testament Law, which it definitely does, but rather because it flies in the face of God’s Creation Plan for human sexual expression. END

By Jimmy Swaggart. Extracted from “The Evangelist”

Part 2 February, 2011

While it is true that the seed of original sin carries with it every type of deviation, aberration, perversion, and wrongdoing, the homosexual cannot claim to have been born that way any more than the drunkard, gambler, killer, etc.

OTHER WARNINGS

Paul makes two more references to homosexual practices in other Epistles. Both occur in lists of banned activities and strike the same condemnatory note. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, practicing homosexuals are included among the unrighteous who will not inherit the Kingdom of God; however, Paul then adds a redemptive note, saying, “And such were some of you” (1 Cor 6:11). In other words, the Lord Saved these once practicing homosexuals, cleansing them of their sin, and made them new creations in Christ Jesus.

The idea is, as should be obvious, that the Lord does not save in sin, but from sin.

A newsman asked me once if God would save homosexuals.

My answer to him was very clear and concise: “Yes, God will save homosexuals, or anyone who comes to Him for that matter. Actually, that is the very reason Jesus came and died on Calvary.

“However,” I quickly added, “But that means they will have to give up their sin of homosexuality, just as the drunkard gives up his drink,” etc.

In 1 Timothy 1:10, Paul again speaks of the sin of homosexuality, and by inference, declares the lost condition of those who practice this sin as well as other sins.

It has been suggested that the meaning of “arsenikoites” in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 may be restricted to that of “male prostitute.” However, Greek linguistic evidence to support this view is lacking.

It is beyond reasonable doubt that Paul intended to condemn homosexual conduct in any capacity, but not homosexual people. As Creator, Law-giver, and King, the Lord’s condemnation of such behaviour is absolutely plain, but yet He loves the sinner.

Following are some questions respecting homosexuality with some answers, which hopefully will be helpful.

ARE HOMOSEXUALS BORN THAT WAY?

In a word, “No!”

While it is true that the seed of original sin carries with it every type of deviation, aberration, perversion, and wrongdoing, the homosexual cannot claim to have been born that way any more than the drunkard, gambler, killer, etc.

However, I think it correct to say that the gene pool which constitutes the character and personality make up of every individual is more predisposed toward some aberrations in certain persons than others. In the spiritual sense, the perverted or abnormal number of genes in any particular direction is not the cause of these situations, but rather the results.

The genes are that way because of man’s fallen condition in a spiritual sense. So, even if scientists one day can find a way to control the genes, the problem will still not be solved, because that which feeds the genes, which is the soul and the spirit of man, cannot be changed by medical or psychological procedures, but only by the Power of God.

It is called the New Birth, and is referred to in the Word of God as “Regeneration.”

The actual Passage says, “Not by works of Righteousness which we have done, but according to His Mercy He Saved us, by the washing of Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5).

The word “Regeneration” in the Greek Text is “Plaiggenesia,” and means “once more or again,” in other words, “re-gened.”

The Lord Jesus Christ and Him Alone can change the person, i.e., “Re-gene the individual, hence, Regeneration.”

“However, the homosexual, upon coming to Christ, must abandon the former lifestyle immediately, and that goes for the drunk, gambler, or anyone for that matter.”

To further prove the point, when identical twins are born, the gene pool is identical, at least to a greater degree, in these twins. At times one has become a homosexual, while the other one did not. If, in fact, they were born that way, if one was homosexual, the other would be likewise. The very fact that both seldom turn out to be that way proves that they are not born in that manner.

Again we stated, that even though there are greater propensities toward certain proclivities in some people than in others, does not mean the thing is set in concrete, but only that there is a lean toward a certain direction. In fact, the Lord does not condemn the sinner for what he is, but rather for refusing to accept God’s Way out of the situation, which is the Salvation afforded by Christ at Calvary. That goes for every sinner, homosexuals included!

WILL GOD SAVE HOMOSEXUALS?

Actually, this is a question we have already answered.

Yes, the Lord will save homosexuals, or anyone who comes to Him, irrespective as to who or what they may be. That is the very reason Jesus came to this world, “to save sinners” (I Cor. 6:9-12).

However, the homosexual, upon coming to Christ, must abandon the former lifestyle immediately, and that goes for the drunk, gambler, or anyone for that matter.

When a person comes to Christ, he leaves something (the old lifestyle), and comes to something, and more particularly to someone, the Lord Jesus Christ. As such, we take upon ourselves, and by His Help, His Lifestyle.

WILL PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELING HELP THE HOMOSEXUAL?

Biblical Counseling will help, but not Psychological Counseling. The problem is Spiritual, and the Bible alone deals with such.

“In order for the person to be set free, there has got to be a power greater than the powers of darkness, and the homosexual spirit is one of the most powerful spirits of darkness in the world.”

Biblical Counseling will simply direct the person to the Lord Jesus Christ and the price that He paid at Calvary, so that one may be Saved. It must be understood, that Jesus atoned for every sin at the Cross. This means that Satan and all of his cohorts of darkness were defeated at Calvary (Col 2:14-15). Sin is that which gives Satan the legal right to hold man in bondage.

With all sin atoned, he has no more right to do such.

That being the case, how is it that he keeps most of the world in bondage?

He does such simply because men will not take advantage of what Christ has done for us at Calvary.

Untold millions in the world are lost without God, but it’s because they will not avail themselves of the opportunity of accepting Christ.

Regrettably, many in the Church, if not most, fall into the same category. They do not understand that it was at the Cross that all victory was won. This means that the Cross of Christ must ever be made the Object of our Faith (Rom 6:1-14; Rom 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor 1:17-18, 23; 1 Cor 2:2; Gal 5; Gal 6:14; Eph 2:13-18; Col 2:14-15).

When the Believer places his Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, and maintains his Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross, the Holy Spirit, Who Alone can effect what is needed in our lives, will work grandly on our behalf. However, the Holy Spirit will not work outside the parameters of the Finished Work of Christ, which necessitates our Faith in that Redemption Plan.

Paul said: “For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of Sin and Death” (Rom. 8:2).

The Cross of Christ is God’s Way, and His only Way, because that is all that is needed.

“The age-old problem of mankind is the desire to live in sin and have Salvation at the same time; however, those who would attempt such a thing have not truly been Born-Again.”

In order for the person to be set free, there has got to be a power greater than the powers of darkness, and the homosexual spirit is one of the most powerful spirits of darkness in the world. The greater Power is in the Holy Spirit, Who works exclusively, as stated, within the parameters of the Cross. This is God’s Way, the Way of the Cross, and it does not need the help of the ways of the world.

In fact, psychology holds no help at all for the homosexual, or anyone else for that matter, only harm. It is harm because it attempts to make the person believe a lie, and it keeps them from their only Source of help, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD

Psychological counseling, for the most part, attempts to make the homosexual “feel good about himself,” in other words, to accept his orientation, as it is called. If the truth be known, many psychologists claim that the guilt felt by homosexuals (or anyone for that matter), is the real problem, and is present because of certain myths, they say, called the Bible, etc.

While it is true that the “Law” of the Bible does point out man’s terrible sins, still, if the Bible did not exist, the guilt of man’s fallen condition would remain. The guilt can only be removed by Jesus Christ. The Bible did not originate the guilt — sin being the fault — it only defines it.

Concerning guilt Paul also said: “There is therefore now no condemnation (guilt) to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit” (Rom. 8:1).

ARE ALL HOMOSEXUALS INSTANTLY DELIVERED AT THE MOMENT OF SALVATION?

In fact, yes! Actually, it can be no other way, if Salvation is to be Salvation (2 Cor 5:17-18); however, whereas this terrible bondage, as with other problems such as temper, alcohol, nicotine, etc., are at times broken immediately, with some, certain things regarding particular victory does not come quite so quickly. In other words, at times there is a struggle.

However, the Lord does not throw us out if we fail or slip back, but, in fact, instantly forgives us as we ask for such (I Jn 1:9). Consequently, the new Believer must continue to believe God, making certain that his Faith is strictly in Christ and the Cross, which, as stated, will then give the Holy Spirit latitude to work within his life, which will ultimately bring victory. In fact, the struggle may continue for a period of time, but if the Believer keeps his Faith in Christ and the Cross, and doesn’t allow it to be moved to something else, ultimately, that sin will no longer have dominion over that person, whatever type of sin it might be.

Paul said:

For sin shall not have dominion over you (the sin nature will not have dominion over us if we as Believers continue to exercise Faith in the Cross of Christ; otherwise, the sin nature most definitely will have dominion over the Believer): for you are not under the Law (means that if we try to live this life by any type of law, no matter how good that law might be in its own right, we will conclude by the sin nature having dominion over us), but under Grace (the Grace of God flows to the Believer on an unending basis only as long as the Believer exercises Faith in Christ and what He did at the Cross; Grace is merely the Goodness of God exercised by and through the Holy Spirit, and given to undeserving Saints)”.

(Rom. 6:14)
 WILL HOMOSEXUALITY CAUSE ONE TO BE ETERNALLY LOST?

Yes, that is if the person does not repent and, thereby, forsake that lifestyle. Of course, the same can be said for alcoholism, drug addiction, or religion for that matter (Gal 5:19-21).

“They wanted a God to their liking, and finding that He did not meet those specifications, the world refused to approve Him as the God to be worshipped, or have Him in its knowledge.”

The age-old problem of mankind is the desire to live in sin and have Salvation at the same time; however, those who would attempt such a thing have not truly been Born-Again.

When the person truly comes to Christ, making Him the Lord of one’s life, affections change totally and completely.

 

Actually, the Scripture is rather implicit about this, saying, “Old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new” (2 Cor 5:17).

In other words, the new Believer does not want the old sinful lifestyle any longer, even though he may at times sense its pull.

He is now a “new creation in Christ Jesus.

WHAT ABOUT THE LAWS OF CERTAIN STATES LEGALIZING HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGES?

The Courts legalizing something, does not legitimize it in the Eyes of God. The Word of God does not change irrespective of what others may do. That is the reason it is referred to as Objective Truth, which means it is the same Standard forever and for everyone.

The recognition of homosexual marriages by the Courts is an abomination in the sight of God.

As well, the allowing of homosexual couples to adopt children is again, an abomination. Putting a child in such an abnormal environment, can do nothing but have an adverse effect on that child, which will affect them negatively for the rest of their life. In fact, a study was recently done in England concerning this very thing.

They found after exhaustive surveys, that irrespective what the world of psychology said, that the children who were placed in homosexual homes did not fare near as well as otherwise. In fact, there was such a negative influence on these little hearts and lives, that most of them, if any of them, outside of Christ, would ever get over the situation.

Regrettably, this is also the case in many so-called straight homes and for the simple reason that most do not know Jesus. Only Jesus can make a marriage, and He definitely will not do so with such an unscriptural, perverted lifestyle of homosexuality, irrespective of claims to the contrary.

However, if a home does have Christ, it has the only solution for its problems and the only guarantee for success.

HOW SHOULD CHRISTIANS REACT TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS?

To which we have alluded elsewhere in our comments on this subject, the Lord loves the homosexual just as much as He does anyone else. When He died on Calvary, He died for these people just as well as He died for you and me. In fact, His Atonement is no different for them than for us.

Likewise, Christians must show kindness and the God kind of Love toward homosexuals, as they do for others.

That means, at least as far as possible, to treat them as human beings, and that means with respect and dignity; however, the Believer must never leave the impression that such a lifestyle is condoned, while at the same time not leveling condemnation on the person. No one has ever brought people to Christ with a club, but millions have been brought to the Saviour because they felt somebody cared for them.

At the same time, I do not think it is possible that Believers could be close friends with a homosexual, or anyone outside of Christ for that matter! The Believer and the unbeliever have absolutely nothing in common, at least on which to build and sustain a friendship. One serves Christ, while the other serves himself.

THE REPROBATE MIND

The Scripture says, “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient” (Rom. 1:28).

The phrase, “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,” carries the idea of the human race putting God to the test for the purpose of approving or disapproving Him. They wanted a God to their liking, and finding that He did not meet those specifications, the world refused to approve Him as the God to be worshipped, or have Him in its knowledge.

The “knowledge” spoken here, in the Greek is “epignosis,” and means “full and precise knowledge.” In other words, their knowledge of God, due to their rebellion against Him, and, therefore, going into deep sin, was only a dim and perverted memory!

“As they did not think it fit to keep God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a mind which has no way to comprehend God.”

If one wants to know what is wrong with the modern School System in America, despite the fact of hundreds of billions of dollars being thrown at this ever-worsening situation, it is because educators “did not like to retain God in their knowledge.” So, and speaking of the Public School System, we have Godless schools, which means that the schools are filled with Satan. We have Godless education, which means that what knowledge the students do have is largely warped and twisted, ill-preparing them for life. We have Godless direction, consequently we have erroneous ways.

The phrase, “God gave them over to a reprobate mind,” presents the third time such a statement is used (Rom. 1:24, 26, 28). Once again, humanity wanted that which was licentious and evil and the Lord took away the restraining forces, allowing them to have what they desired.

The words “reprobate mind” in the Greek Text is “adokimon noun.” It carries the idea of the human race putting God on trial, and because it rejected Him, God gave it a “trialless” mind, in other words, one incapable of discharging the functions of a mind with respect to the things of Salvation.

As they did not think it fit to keep God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a mind which has no way to comprehend God. In other words, Light rejected is Light withdrawn. The one thing answers to the other.

Virtually, they pronounce the True God disapproved and would have none of Him, and He in turn gave them up to a disapproved mind, a mind which actually is no mind, and cannot discharge the functions of one, a mind in which the Divine distinctions of right and wrong are confused and lost, so that God’s condemnation cannot but fall on it at last.

This speaks of people who are completely perverted.

As the Canaanites of old who did their abominations unto their gods, the last depth of evil has been reached.

There were three terrible sins pandemic in the great empires of the past, which contributed greatly to their fall.

THEY ARE:

1. Homosexuality; 2. Pedophilia (child molestation); and, 3. Incest.

Regrettably, America is heading down the same path.

The only answer for the homosexual and anyone for that matter is the Lord Jesus Christ. When He comes into the heart, this bondage of darkness will cease, and it will only cease if He comes into the heart. There is no answer other than “Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.” END

(This article came from Jimmy Swaggart’s Book, “BROTHER SWAGGART, HERE’S MY QUESTION...”  (EV1202). It is hardcover, 426 pages. It contains 29 of the most important Questions. This is a book that you want.)
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Bacha Bazi: Afghanistan Islamic sexuality paradox “Pedophillia”

Bacha Bazi: are for the wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities. 

• Paedophilia
• Sexual Slavery
• Child Prostitution
• Homosexuality
• Sodomy

Bacha bazi, also known as bacchá (from the Persian bacheh بچه‌), literally “playing with boys” in Persian, Pashto and Hindi-Urdu), is a form of sexual slavery and child prostitution in which prepubescent and adolescent boys are sold to wealthy or powerful men for entertainment and sexual activities.

This business thrives in Afghanistan, where many men keep dancing boys as status symbols.

The practice is illegal under Afghan law.1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancing_Boys_of_Afghanistan

Young boys forced to dress as women and dance before being sexually abused by rich men

Tradition: Shaharyar became a dancer when he was 17, after his father died and he needed to make money. He met his master in a Chai Khana, or tea shop, and was taught dancing. The master is now his agent, and takes a cut of his what he earns performing for parties

THEY look for young boys who have nothing.

Bacha Bazi: Boys, Aged 10-18, Coerced or Abducted from the Streets

Rich and powerful men have been prowling the streets of Afghanistan in search of poor and orphaned boys to use as sex slaves and entertainment for centuries.

The boys, typically aged from 10-18, are coerced or abducted from the streets, then dressed in women’s clothes and forced to dance as entertainment.

They are referred to as “bachas” and used as dancers at private parties by powerful warlords, commanders, politicians and other members of the elite who keep them as a symbol of authority and affluence and often sexually exploit them.

It’s a centuries old practice in Afghanistan known as “bacha bazi” and in recent years it’s made a resurgence.

Afghanistan this week announced it is set to criminalise bacha bazi with a slew of stringent punishments laid out for the first time in a revised penal code.

The move comes after an AFP report last year revealed the Taliban was exploiting bacha bazi, one of the most egregious violations of human rights in the country, to mount deadly insider attacks in the volatile south.

Dancing boy: Shukur, 21 in this picture, was kidnapped in Kabul when he was 12 years old and taken to Kunduz where he was kept as a Bacha Bereesh - a dancing boy - for a rich and powerful man. He was 17 when he escaped, and began making a living from his dancing

The issue first came to widespread international attention in the 2009 documentary The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan.

“He’s touching the boy with his cotton clothes,” a man sang to a young boy.

“Where do you live, so I can get to know your father.

“Oh boy, you have set your lover on fire.”

In 2007, “dancing boy” Ahmad, then 17, revealed: “I love my lord. I love to dance and act like a woman and play with my owner.”

“Once I grow up, I will be an owner and I will have my own boys,” he told Reuters.

“The police don’t ask why we’re doing it, but they threaten to arrest us,” another boy, Abdul, told Radio Free Europe.

“Many times they demand that we dance and have sex with them or give them money.”

İnsanlık suçudur. / A crime against humanity.

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screen shot from Bacha Bazi: The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan (Video Documentary)


In Afghanistan, bacha bazi is not considered homosexuality — popularly demonised and prohibited in Islam — and is instead accepted as a cultural practice.

The ancient custom, banned under the Taliban’s 1996-2001 rule, has seen a resurgence in recent years. It is said to be widespread across southern and eastern Afghanistan’s rural Pashtun heartland, and with ethnic Tajiks across the northern countryside.

‘Bacha bazi’ is said to be widespread across southern and eastern Afghanistan’s rural Pashtun heartland, and with ethnic Tajiks across the northern countryside Afghanistan. Picture: Google Maps Source: Supplied

WHY AND HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?

Tight gender segregation in Afghan society and lack of contact with women have contributed to the spread of bacha bazi, human rights groups say.

Several other factors such as an absence of the rule of law, corruption, limited access to justice, illiteracy, poverty, insecurity and the existence of armed groups have also resulted in the spread of bacha bazi, the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) said in a report in 2014.

Photographer Barat Ali Batoor documented the Afghanistan ‘dancing boys’ in a photographic series. Picture: Barat Ali Batoor Source: Supplied

Afghanistan dancing boys. Picture: Barat Ali Batoor Source: Supplied

AIHRC pointed out that Afghanistan’s criminal law prohibits rape and paederasty, but there are no clear provisions on bacha bazi.

“There is a gap and ambiguity in the laws of Afghanistan regarding bacha bazi and the existing laws do not address the problem sufficiently,” the report said.
It is this gap which the government hopes the revised penal code will address. But the government has a poor track record of implementing such measures, as many of the perpetrators have connections with the security organs and by using power and giving bribes they get exempted from punishment.

ABOUT THE BOYS

Bachas are typically aged between 10 and 18. Many of them are kidnapped and sometimes desperate poverty drives their families to sell them to abusers.

“The victims of bacha bazi suffer from serious psychological trauma as they often get raped,”
 

“Such victims suffer from stress and a sort of distrust, hopelessness and pessimistic feeling. Bacha bazi results in fear among the children and a feeling of revenge and hostility develop in their mind.”

AIHRC’s report said.

In turn, many teen victims are said to grow up to have young boy lovers of their own, repeating the cycle of abuse.

“In the absence of any services to recover or rehabilitate boys who are caught in this horrendous abuse, it’s hard to know what happens to these children,” said Charu Lata Hogg, a London-based fellow at think tank Chatham House.

“We have heard anecdotal reports that many grow up to keep their own bachas, perpetuating the revolving door of abuse.”

Sordid: This young boy - filmed as part of the documentary, The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan - is another bacha bereesh. But these boys are not just dancers, but often sexually abused, by their masters and sometimes by their friends, kept as little more than sex slaves

Banned: Bacha bazi, which has been around for decades, was almost wiped out under the Taliban, but made a resurgence after the war

Shocking: American soldiers have recounted their surprise at seeing grown men walking down the street with young boys. Others have described having to listen to the sounds of young boys being raped at night - but were told to do nothing to stop it

THE BACHA BAZI FLOW-ON EFFECT

Bacha bazi is having a detrimental bearing on the perpetual state of conflict in Afghanistan, helping the Taliban to infiltrate security ranks in provinces such as Uruzgan, officials say.

The abusive practice in security ranks also undermines support for NATO-trained Afghan forces.

“To date, the US has provided over $60 billion in assistance to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF), including nearly $500 million to the Afghan Local Police,” the US Congress said last year.

“Predatory sexual behaviour by Afghan soldiers and police could undermine US and Afghan public support for the ANDSF, and put our enormous investment at risk.”

Shukur, 21 years old, was kidnapped in Kabul when he was 12 years old and taken to Kunduz where he was kept as a Bacha Bereesh. After five years he escaped and returned to Kabul where he now earns a living working

screen shot from Bacha Bazi: The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan (Video Documentary)


The practice also continues to embolden the Taliban’s desire to reassert sharia law in Afghanistan and is fuelling their insurgency.

“Such wild abuses of the predatory mujahideen forces in the early 1990s drove the popularity of the austere Taliban, helping them sweep to power across most of the country. Similar behaviour of the government forces after 2001 is also helping to inspire the insurgency,”

The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan (Video Documentary)

Sources: news.com.au/…

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