1.25 million people voted from WA, with a yes vote of 63.7 per

Malcolm Turnbull says Australian’s Voted Yes for Love

The nation as a whole has spoken – it was a comprehensive win for the yes vote in the same-sex marriage survey.

And the yes vote was strongly endorsed by West Australians.

More than 1.25 million people voted from WA, with a yes vote of 63.7 per cent – the third strongest vote behind the ACT and Victoria.

The WA voting turnout was strong, particularly given it was a voluntary survey – 78.4 per cent of eligible voters had their say in the West..

Hundreds of West Australians gathered in public places such as the Northbridge Piazza to watch as the Australian Bureau of Statistics delivered the results.

There was nothing but joy at the results, with tears and hugs all around as the comprehensive yes win became apparent.

THE RESULTS

Participation rate by age and sex1)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/nov/15/same-sex-marriage-survey-how-australia-voted-electorate-by-electorate

Full table of results2)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/nov/15/same-sex-marriage-survey-how-australia-voted-electorate-by-electorate

Electorate State Yes % No % Non-responding % Participating %
Banks NSW 44.9 55.1 19.9 80.1
Barton NSW 43.6 56.4 22 78
Bennelong NSW 49.8 50.2 18.8 81.2
Berowra NSW 54.6 45.4 15.3 84.7
Blaxland NSW 26.1 73.9 24.8 75.2
Bradfield NSW 60.6 39.4 16.3 83.7
Calare NSW 60.2 39.8 21.9 78.1
Chifley NSW 41.3 58.7 26.1 73.9
Cook NSW 55 45 17.8 82.2
Cowper NSW 60 40 20.8 79.2
Cunningham NSW 65.7 34.3 18.1 81.9
Dobell NSW 65.7 34.3 21.1 78.9
Eden-Monaro NSW 64.9 35.1 20 80
Farrer NSW 55.2 44.8 22.6 77.4
Fowler NSW 36.3 63.7 27.6 72.4
Gilmore NSW 62 38 19.4 80.6
Grayndler NSW 79.9 20.1 14.9 85.1
Greenway NSW 46.4 53.6 23.5 76.5
Hughes NSW 58.4 41.6 16.2 83.8
Hume NSW 58.6 41.4 21.1 78.9
Hunter NSW 64.4 35.6 21.5 78.5
Kingsford Smith NSW 64.1 35.9 20.3 79.7
Lindsay NSW 56.2 43.8 23.5 76.5
Lyne NSW 55.3 44.7 18.7 81.3
Macarthur NSW 52.1 47.9 24.6 75.4
Mackellar NSW 68 32 16 84
Macquarie NSW 63.9 36.1 17.3 82.7
McMahon NSW 35.1 64.9 22.2 77.8
Mitchell NSW 49.1 50.9 18.4 81.6
Newcastle NSW 74.8 25.2 17.3 82.7
New England NSW 52.5 47.5 23.1 76.9
North Sydney NSW 71.8 28.2 16.2 83.8
Page NSW 59.7 40.3 21.4 78.6
Parkes NSW 52.7 47.3 27.4 72.6
Parramatta NSW 38.4 61.6 25.2 74.8
Paterson NSW 65.5 34.5 20.6 79.4
Reid NSW 52.7 47.3 22.3 77.7
Richmond NSW 67.9 32.1 19.7 80.3
Riverina NSW 54.6 45.4 22.8 77.2
Robertson NSW 65.7 34.3 18.6 81.4
Shortland NSW 67.7 32.3 17.5 82.5
Sydney NSW 83.7 16.3 19.5 80.5
Warringah NSW 75 25 16.1 83.9
Watson NSW 30.4 69.6 23 77
Wentworth NSW 80.8 19.2 17.4 82.6
Werriwa NSW 36.3 63.7 25.9 74.1
Whitlam NSW 62.3 37.7 19.9 80.1
Aston VIC 62 38 18.4 81.6
Ballarat VIC 70.5 29.5 18.3 81.7
Batman VIC 71.2 28.8 16.1 83.9
Bendigo VIC 68.7 31.3 17.3 82.7
Bruce VIC 46.9 53.1 22.3 77.7
Calwell VIC 43.2 56.8 21.1 78.9
Casey VIC 68.1 31.9 16 84
Chisholm VIC 61.6 38.4 17.6 82.4
Corangamite VIC 71.6 28.4 14.9 85.1
Corio VIC 67.7 32.3 16.4 83.6
Deakin VIC 65.7 34.3 15.4 84.6
Dunkley VIC 72 28 18.1 81.9
Flinders VIC 70 30 17.9 82.1
Gellibrand VIC 68.1 31.9 17.8 82.2
Gippsland VIC 60.2 39.8 19.3 80.7
Goldstein VIC 76.3 23.7 14 86
Gorton VIC 53.3 46.7 22.7 77.3
Higgins VIC 78.3 21.7 15.6 84.4
Holt VIC 50.7 49.3 23.2 76.8
Hotham VIC 59.6 40.4 19.6 80.4
Indi VIC 63.1 36.9 17.9 82.1
Isaacs VIC 65.3 34.7 19.2 80.8
Jagajaga VIC 73.5 26.5 14.7 85.3
Kooyong VIC 73.7 26.3 14 86
Lalor VIC 56.8 43.2 23 77
La Trobe VIC 67.5 32.5 17.1 82.9
Mallee VIC 54.3 45.7 21.2 78.8
Maribyrnong VIC 59.9 40.1 21 79
McEwen VIC 65.4 34.6 19.3 80.7
McMillan VIC 62.7 37.3 18.6 81.4
Melbourne VIC 83.7 16.3 17.2 82.8
Melbourne Ports VIC 82 18 17.8 82.2
Menzies VIC 57 43 15.9 84.1
Murray VIC 57.6 42.4 20.4 79.6
Scullin VIC 53.4 46.6 20.1 79.9
Wannon VIC 61 39 18.6 81.4
Wills VIC 70 30 17.1 82.9
Blair QLD 60 40 23.3 76.7
Bonner QLD 62 38 17.6 82.4
Bowman QLD 62.1 37.9 18.6 81.4
Brisbane QLD 79.5 20.5 18.4 81.6
Capricornia QLD 54.1 45.9 25.2 74.8
Dawson QLD 55.1 44.9 25.8 74.2
Dickson QLD 65.2 34.8 18.2 81.8
Fadden QLD 61.8 38.2 23.7 76.3
Fairfax QLD 64.3 35.7 19 81
Fisher QLD 62.8 37.2 19.1 80.9
Flynn QLD 51.5 48.5 24.4 75.6
Forde QLD 60.5 39.5 23.9 76.1
Griffith QLD 76.6 23.4 18.2 81.8
Groom QLD 49.2 50.8 20 80
Herbert QLD 62.8 37.2 27.9 72.1
Hinkler QLD 50.7 49.3 21.8 78.2
Kennedy QLD 46.7 53.3 29.5 70.5
Leichhardt QLD 63.4 36.6 32.2 67.8
Lilley QLD 67.7 32.3 18.6 81.4
Longman QLD 60.4 39.6 22.2 77.8
Maranoa QLD 43.9 56.1 21.8 78.2
McPherson QLD 65.5 34.5 21.9 78.1
Moncrieff QLD 63.8 36.2 24.1 75.9
Moreton QLD 60.9 39.1 20.4 79.6
Oxley QLD 60.3 39.7 23.9 76.1
Petrie QLD 61.6 38.4 21.3 78.7
Rankin QLD 54.6 45.4 25.5 74.5
Ryan QLD 72.7 27.3 15.3 84.7
Wide Bay QLD 55.6 44.4 20.5 79.5
Wright QLD 56.8 43.2 21 79
Adelaide SA 70.1 29.9 18.6 81.4
Barker SA 52.3 47.7 23 77
Boothby SA 68.5 31.5 15.7 84.3
Grey SA 53.3 46.7 24.8 75.2
Hindmarsh SA 63.3 36.7 18.3 81.7
Kingston SA 68.1 31.9 19.3 80.7
Makin SA 60.4 39.6 20.5 79.5
Mayo SA 64.7 35.3 16.2 83.8
Port Adelaide SA 61.3 38.7 23.7 76.3
Sturt SA 61.6 38.4 18.6 81.4
Wakefield SA 61 39 24.3 75.7
Brand WA 67.1 32.9 24 76
Burt WA 57 43 23.8 76.2
Canning WA 60.2 39.8 21.5 78.5
Cowan WA 58.8 41.2 22 78
Curtin WA 72.2 27.8 16 84
Durack WA 59.2 40.8 32.1 67.9
Forrest WA 63.8 36.2 21.1 78.9
Fremantle WA 70.1 29.9 19.4 80.6
Hasluck WA 62.4 37.6 20.3 79.7
Moore WA 68 32 16.8 83.2
O’Connor WA 56.2 43.8 24.3 75.7
Pearce WA 63.9 36.1 23.7 76.3
Perth WA 71.5 28.5 19.5 80.5
Stirling WA 61.1 38.9 21.6 78.4
Swan WA 64.7 35.3 22.3 77.7
Tangney WA 61.6 38.4 16 84
Bass TAS 61.7 38.3 20.8 79.2
Braddon TAS 54 46 24 76
Denison TAS 73.8 26.2 17.6 82.4
Franklin TAS 68.8 31.2 17.3 82.7
Lyons TAS 58.7 41.3 21.9 78.1
Lingiari NT 54.5 45.5 49.9 50.1
Solomon NT 65.3 34.7 33.2 66.8
Canberra ACT 74.1 25.9 16.8 83.2
Fenner ACT 74 26 18.4 81.6

Original Source 01: Date-stamped: 2017, November, 15. | Time-stamped: 7:01 AM | Author: Chris Leitch | Article Link: PerthNow  | Article Title: Same-sex marriage: How Perth, WA voted.

Original Source 02: Date-stamped: 2017, November, 15 | Time-stamped: 10.45 AEDT | Article Link:theguardian.com | Article Title: Full results of Australia's vote for same-sex marriage, electorate by electorate – interactive
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Same-sex marriage: discriminatory bill won’t get through, Malcolm Turnbull says

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says he will not support changing laws to the marriage act to increase discrimination.

Malcolm Turnbull has warned far-reaching religious protections that are discriminatory would “have virtually no prospect of getting through the parliament” as the Coalition grapples with division over how changes to the Marriage Act should look if the Yes vote succeeds in the postal survey.

The Prime Minister said amendments could be passed by any MP in the free vote but cautioned he would not support changing laws to increase discrimination, as some fear would happen if parliament passed a bill drafted by Liberal senator James Paterson.

Senator Paterson’s bill would extend religious protections to allow businesses that provide services to weddings the right to refuse service to gay couples.

Mr Turnbull said MPs would be free to move “any amendments they want” to a private-members bill that enters the parliament to change the Marriage Act.

“I don’t believe Australians would welcome, and certainly the government would not countenance the making legal discrimination that is unlawful today,” Mr Turnbull said.

“The fact is that assuming there is a Yes vote tomorrow — the pollsters will really be rocked if there isn’t — but assuming there is there will be a private-member’s bill and amendments could be moved and if people want to move an amendment of that kind, well they can.

“I think it would have virtually no prospect of getting through the parliament, but as far as the government is concerned, we are keeping our promise.”

He said the conservative push for extensive religious protections did not mean his authority was undermined.

“It is under my prime ministership that all Australians have been given a say on this issue and if the answer is Yes then, as I promised, there will be a free vote and that means that you will have members of my party taking different views to members of the same party and ditto on the Labor side. That is what a free vote means,” he said.

Divorce ‘teachings protected’

Attorney-General Senator George Brandis has warned against creating new forms of discrimination. Picture Kym Smith

Attorney-General George Brandis says the protection of religious freedom does not include “other interests” as he warned against creating a “new form of discrimination”.

“When we talk about the protection of religious freedom, we are talking about the protection of religious freedom, not other interests,” Senator Brandis told Sky News.

“We are certainly not going to remove one form of discrimination and at the same time instate a new form of discrimination.

“You can protect religious freedoms ads — our law does — without creating a new form of discrimination.”

It comes as conservative cabinet minister Mathias Cormann said Dean Smith’s bill was a “good starting point” but further religious protections needed to be added.

Senator Brandis noted divorce had always against the teaching of the Catholic Church.

“I’m a member of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church has always said it will not remarry divorced couples,” he said.

“Nobody has ever said that the Catholic Church shouldn’t be allowed to teach that according to Catholic doctrine and teaching that it won’t remarry divorced couples in a Catholic Church, so there is no inhibition on churches at the moment in teaching what their view, according to what their faith and doctrine of marriage means.

Date-stamped: 2017, November, 14. |  Time-stamped: 9:26 am | Author: Greg Brown | Article Title: Same-sex marriage: discriminatory bill won’t get through, Malcolm Turnbull says | Article Link: theaustralian.com.au
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The Truth About The Same-Sex Marriage Plebiscite In Australia

What the government does not want you to know…
THE SLIPPERY SLOPE: 
1: There will be no such thing as NATURAL PARENT but LEGAL PARENTS as defined by Government, thereby removing all rights and authority of “BIOLOGICAL PARENTS” ie all parental rights will be taken away by the Government and placed in the hands of “The Law” which is set by the ruling Government

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Golden Rule No. 1: Never Trust a Politician! Prime Minister Admits Australians are being Asked to Sign a Blank Cheque SSM

 


Prime Minister Admits Australians are being Asked to Sign a Blank Cheque on Gay Marriage


Posted by Coalition 4 Marriage on September 15, 2017

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull today admitted the Australian people will not know the detail of any final legislation to change the Marriage Act before casting their votes in the plebiscite.

The Australian reports the Prime Minister foreshadowed a lengthy parliamentary debate that would involve numerous as-yet-unseen amendments. In a stunning admission today Prime Minister Turnbull said the government had no control over the legislative process in the Senate.

The Prime Minister said:

“Private members will get a bill to protect religious freedoms and there could be an amendment here and an amendment there, a debate about this and a debate about that… No doubt it will be amended and debated and we don’t have a majority in the Senate and in any event, it is a free vote.”

Coalition for Marriage spokesman Lyle Shelton said this was an extraordinary admission from the Prime Minister.

“The Prime Minister has confirmed the Australian people are being asked to sign a blank cheque,”

said Mr Shelton.

“The Prime Minister has said he does not know the detail of the bill. He has said he does not control the legislative process. He has said that Australians will not know what protections the legislation will or will not contain.

“It’s regrettable that the dynamics in the Senate are such that members of the Government can’t even be relied on to produce a bill that protects parents’ rights, free speech and freedom of religion.

“Given the fact the Prime Minister couldn’t even convince the parliament to hold a plebiscite on marriage in the first place, how can the Australian people have confidence the parliament will ‘get it right’ on protections for parents, speech and faith?

“I say to all Australians – if you don’t know, vote ‘no’,” he concluded.

Alan Jones

A Yes Vote on Same-Sex Marriage will give Politicians a Blank Cheque.

David Flint
Original Source: Date-stamped: 2017, September 15. | Author: Coalition 4 Marriage | Article Title: PRIME MINISTER ADMITS AUSTRALIANS ARE BEING ASKED TO SIGN A BLANK CHEQUE ON GAY MARRIAGE  Article Link: coalitionformarriage.com.au

PROFESSOR DAVID FLINT: A Yes Vote on Same-Sex Marriage Will Give Politicians a Blank Cheque


The Daily Telegraph
September 12, 2017 10:00pm

It’s not urgent. That’s what the proponents of same-sex marriage told the High Court. So why are we being rushed into trusting the politicians, giving them a blank cheque in what is no more than a pretend or fake ­referendum?

Voters might recall Alan Jones’s advice on the politicians’ republic: “If you don’t know, vote No.”

As to trusting politicians, it’s hard to think of even one of today’s problems which, if it weren’t created by them, they’ve not made significantly worse. From replacing the lowest ­energy costs in the world with the world’s highest, from declining educational standards to the way the criminal justice system better protects the criminal than the victim, today’s politicians have hardly earned our confidence.

Professor David Flint says politicians have hardly earned our confidence, so why are we now trusting them to change the constitution without telling us what exactly they plan to do?

David Flint

Like Professor Flint, Alan Jones was a one of a small number of media commentators recommending a No vote on whether Australia should be a republic in 1999.

Alan Jones

This is because too many of today’s politicians are out of touch, coming from a narrow class of staffers, union and party officials and chosen not on merit but because of their loyalty to some factional boss or lobbyist.

The founders of this country proposed and the people agreed that the new federal Parliament would be authorised to make laws with respect to a limited range of issues. These ­included marriage.

Although they’d never heard of same-sex marriage, the founders and the people were well aware of other forms of marriage, including polygamy. They certainly weren’t about to give the politicians any power to allow men to have four wives, some underage. The meaning of marriage in the Constitution was — and still is — crystal clear. It means marriage ­between one man and one woman, nothing more and nothing less.

Thousands of demonstrators took part in a same-sex marriage rally in Sydney last weekend. Picture: AFP

This meaning should prevail until the Constitution is properly changed.

In any democracy, words in a constitution must mean what a reasonable person at the time it was adopted thought they meant.

And having seen what can happen in other countries, the founders were very careful that the final decision on changing the Constitution should rest with the people. They certainly weren’t going to leave it to the politicians or indeed, to seven judges.

To make sure the people would be properly informed, it was agreed that the only way to change the Constitution would be by a Swiss-style referendum with the precise change and legislation approved both nationally and, to ensure there was widespread support, in a majority of states.

The founders were well aware of the dangers of using plebiscites to change the Constitution. Like opinion polls, plebiscites are just a question. This can too easily be loaded or misleading, as we saw in the 1995 Quebec secession referendum where exit polls revealed that many Yes voters actually believed they were voting to stay in Canada.

The point is that in a plebiscite all the details and especially the consequences of a Yes vote are not known in advance — they’re not on the table. The voters haven’t the foggiest idea what the politicians will get up to if you give them a Yes vote. Just as in the current postal survey or plebiscite.

The founders had seen how plebiscites — fake referendums — can be used to manipulate the voters. They were well aware that Napoleon Bonaparte and his nephew had used them to soften up the French until they agreed to turn them both into ­emperor-dictators.

Why won’t Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull reveal his hand concerning what happens if a Yes vote gets up? Picture: Kym Smith

Is this a face of someone you give a blank cheque too?

Even where the plebiscite question seems clear, the voters can too easily be misled by being denied the necessary detail. How suspicious it is that the Turnbull government won’t ­reveal whatever legislation will be introduced if the people vote Yes. But even if the government were to reveal their hand now, it still wouldn’t be enough. Unlike a referendum, there’s no guarantee the legislation would be passed or even introduced.

The politicians could subsequently approve new forms of marriage or measures to punish supporters of ­traditional marriage.

Sydney Uni law courses push for Sharia law recognition

We have no idea what these could be. Some European politicians and clergymen have seriously proposed that sharia law be introduced to ­legitimise polygamous marriages, ­demeaning seriously women’s rights.

This could subsequently lead to the recognition of other practices, ­including underage and arranged marriages.

Even where the plebiscite question seems clear, the voters can too easily be misled by being denied the necessary detail. How suspicious it is that the Turnbull government won’t ­reveal whatever legislation will be introduced if the people vote Yes. But even if the government were to reveal their hand now, it still wouldn’t be enough. Unlike a referendum, there’s no guarantee the legislation would be passed or even introduced.

The politicians could subsequently approve new forms of marriage or measures to punish supporters of ­traditional marriage.

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If there is a Yes vote, we have no guarantee that our existing freedoms of speech and religion will be maintained. The bullying and fake news by some of the self-selected leaders of a community, one which seems to only exist in a never-ending series of initials, should put everyone on guard.

There is nothing to stop the introduction of same-sex marriage being used, as it has been in other countries, to step up filling our schools with campaigns to encourage so-called gender fluidity and enforce the access by both sexes to lavatories, showers and change rooms. There is nothing to stop some schools and other charitable institutions being forced to close down and teachers and people generally being gagged.

All of this would have been ­avoided if the details and consequences of the proposed change were on the table before the people vote, as the Constitution clearly requires.

There was no reason why a proper referendum could not have been called to coincide with the next federal election. Instead we are being asked to vote Yes and give a blank heque to, of all people, the politicians.

David Flint, an emeritus professor of law, campaigned for the No case in 1999

Original Source: Date-stamped: 2017 September 12. | Time-stamped: 10:00 pm | Author: The Daily Telegraph | Article Title: DAVID FLINT: A YES VOTE ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WILL GIVE POLITICIANS A BLANK CHEQUE | Article Link: dailytelegraph.com.au
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Australia: Subway a “Political” OUTLET (Pro Yes Vote Sales Dockets) Marriage Equity “NO” Voters time VOTE “NO” A SECOND TIME

A Disgraceful Response, franchisee do what they are told to do, Subway is misleading the public.

Subway should not ever be a political voice it is a food outlet.

An Outlet whose clientele will have extensive numbers of voters voting:

“NO” and 

 


Over in Australia, the marriage equality debate is hitting fever pitch.

With the country set to vote on equal marriage rights in the coming weeks, messages encouraging people to vote ‘yes’ to marriage equality are popping up all over the place. In one area in Melbourne, even your Meatball Marinara comes with a message.

A Subway franchise in the city’s Cranbourne Park Shopping Centre has been printing pro-equality messages on its receipts, encouraging all its customers to vote ‘yes’ in the upcoming postal vote.

‘We believe in EQUALITY for ALL Australians,’ the message reads. ‘What about you? Vote “YES” in the Postal Survey. Do it because it’s the right thing to do.’

One sandwich lover posted her receipt on Twitter with glee, writing: ‘Found on @subwayaustralia receipt by Steve King, Melbourne. Thank you, Subway!’


The real credit for this project is goes to the franchisee, Steve King.

Steve’s team have been really ramping up the pro-equality message in their store in recent weeks, handing out pamphlets and badges to customers to encourage both voter registration and a ‘yes’ vote.

In addition, the in-store screens have been used to promote a number of posters from Australian Marriage Equality’s ‘Yes’ campaign, replacing the usual messages of new sandwiches or combo deals. Definitely a better use of electricity.

In a statement, Subway Australia says:

‘Each franchisee is a small business owner in their local community with their own personal views and beliefs. At Subway respect for every individual is a core value. We are committed to treating every person with honour, dignity and respect — regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender.’


Date-stamped: 8 Sep 2017 | Time-stamped: 12:16 pm | Author: Tom Connick for metro.co.uk | Article Title: Subway store prints pro-marriage equality message on its receipts | Article Link: metro.co.uk 

A suggestion for (Marriage Equity “NO” Voters):

VOTE “NO” A SECOND TIME

Take your feet to another Food outlet one that has had the sense to stay out of the political arena of a massive social issue within Australia connected to morality and Right and Wrong!

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Fathers are Male, Men are Male, Boys are Male and Fathers Day is Fathers Day! is Woolworth’s promoting a political agenda on Father’s Day.

SHOPPERS are outraged over a Woolworths mud cake that hit shelves on Father’s Day with icing that read “Special Person’s Day”.

The photograph of the cake was uploaded to the Woolworths Facebook page by a Queensland father on Sunday. It was quickly reshared by dozens of others who called the supermarket giant out on failing to recognise Aussie dads.

One man commented: “This is a disgrace and total disrespect to all fathers in Australia today …

How dare you Woolworths?”

Another wrote: “Please keep Father’s Day to celebrate Dads, and don’t disappoint Australia with your political “special person” cakes.”

One woman said the cake was a “slap in the face to all the wonderful dads”.

“If you want to support a “Special Persons Day”, do it on any other day! So disappointed that you would make this divisive political statement,” she added.
However, others said they disagreed with the backlash against “Special Person’s Day”, saying not all Australians had fathers in their lives.

“There may be other people in their life that may have to take that role on. I truly celebrate that you have created a cake saying “Special person’s Day” because for every family that does not have a mother or father around and someone else to fill that massive role, they are 100% a very special person. Well done Woolies!” A woman wrote.

Another congratulated Woolworths on “taking into consideration other people’s circumstances”.

“My son doesn’t have his father around a very sad day for him in fact but you turned it into a positive by providing a cake acknowledging a special person so he gave that to his uncle to say thank you for being a special part of his life, all round a happy day instead of a sad one,” the woman said.
A Woolworths spokesman responded to customers over Facebook, saying the contentious photograph had been cropped out not to show other cakes that contained “Happy Father’s Day” messages.

“We’re currently looking into this display with our store teams. We want to reassure you that we’re helping all customers across Australia celebrate Father’s Day as seen from our store displays, products and recipe ideas. Cropped out of this image are a range of decorative cakes that have different messages on them, including ‘Dad’ and ‘Happy Father’s Day’. Thanks again for sharing.” Link: news.com.au

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Fact check: Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?

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Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?

Find out the answer Read below.

From mid-September, Australians will begin receiving survey forms for the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey, which the Government has commissioned in place of a plebiscite.

A common claim made about same-sex marriage is that Australia lags behind the countries we like to compare ourselves to.

Back in 2015, after the successful referendum to bring in same-sex marriage in Ireland, then Australian Marriage Equality director Rodney Croome asserted that Australia was “the last developed English-speaking country not to allow same-sex couples to marry”.

And in September 2016, Greens MP Adam Bandt told Parliament that “we are now the only developed, English-speaking country to not have equal marriage laws”.

One of the latest to make the claim is Opposition frontbencher Andrew Leigh.

“We’re the last advanced English-speaking country not to allow same-sex marriage,” Mr Leigh told Sky News.

Mr Leigh is not the first or last to make a similar claim. But what are the facts? RMIT ABC Fact Check finds out.

The verdict

Mr Leigh’s claim is overstated.

Most of the countries that Australia shares political, economic and social links with have legalised same-sex marriage.

However, we are not the only “advanced English-speaking country” that has failed to do so.

Singapore, an advanced English-speaking country with a population of almost 6 million people, has not even decriminalised sexual acts between two men, let alone legalised same-sex marriage.

And not all parts of the United Kingdom have same-sex marriage — it is still not legal in Northern Ireland.

Basis for comparison

Mr Leigh refers to a set of countries that are “advanced” and “English-speaking”.

Fact Check has assessed “English-speaking” countries as those with English as an official language.

This will necessarily include countries that have multiple official languages — such as Singapore, South Africa and Canada — and those where English is the language of government and the law but not the most widely spoken in everyday life.

There are at least 70 countries or self-governing/semi-autonomous entities (such as Hong Kong) where English is an official language.

These range from small places such as the Falkland Islands (population of around 2,900 people) to India (more than 1 billion people, where English remains an official language “for official purposes of the Union and for use in Parliament”).

And what is an advanced country? Mr Leigh’s office told Fact Check that he used “advanced” as another word for “developed”.

Unfortunately, there is no settled definition of what a “developed” country is.

Fact Check has considered several metrics:

• The International Monetary Fund’s list of 39 “advanced” economies.The list includes a number of economies that are not sovereign nations including Hong Kong, Macau and Puerto Rico. Only ten of these economies are English-speaking.

• The 35 members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development or OECD. Six of these countries are English-speaking.

• The 51 countries on the United Nations Human Development Index said to have “very high human development”. Nine of these countries are English-speaking.

In short, Fact Check has found there to be 10 countries or territories that are advanced (on at least one of the metrics) and have English as an official language.

The results

Out of the ten “advanced” countries or territories with English as an official language, six have legalised same-sex marriage throughout the country. One — the United Kingdom — has legalised same-sex marriage in most of the country.

English-speaking

economy/country

IMF

Advanced economies

OECD Members

HDI – Very High

Human Development

Same-sex marriage
Australia Yes Yes Yes No
Canada Yes Yes Yes Yes
Hong Kong SAR Yes No Yes No
Ireland Yes Yes Yes Yes
Malta Yes No Yes Yes
New Zealand Yes Yes Yes Yes
Puerto Rico Yes No No Yes
Singapore Yes No Yes No
United Kingdom Yes Yes Yes Partially
United States Yes Yes Yes Yes
Sources: International Monetary Fund; Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development; United Nations Human Development Index; Official documents

Same-sex marriage is not legal anywhere in Singapore or Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is a special administrative region of China, so on its own cannot be considered a “country”, though same-sex marriage is not legal in mainland China either.

Singapore has not legalised same-sex marriage, and in fact homosexual acts are still illegal in that country.

The situation in the United Kingdom is more difficult to characterise.

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, and the different countries/regions can make their own laws in some areas.

Same-sex marriage is legal in England, Scotland and Wales, but is not legal in Northern Ireland.

This means that same-sex marriages cannot take place in Northern Ireland and are recognised as civil partnerships rather than marriages in that territory.

A spokesman for the Northern Ireland Department of Finance told Fact Check:

“The law of Northern Ireland does not allow for same-sex marriage, but it does allow for same-sex civil partnerships, which confer similar rights and responsibilities; same-sex marriages that are conducted in England, Wales or Scotland are recognised as civil partnerships under the law of Northern Ireland.

Same-sex relationships from other jurisdictions may be recognised as civil partnerships in Northern Ireland…

On 17 August 2017 the High Court in Northern Ireland ruled that there is no obligation to introduce same-sex marriage.”

British citizens are able marry their same-sex partner in many British diplomatic posts overseas, including in Australia.

The marriages are valid as if they had taken place in the relevant part of the United Kingdom (as elected by the applicant).

Consular marriages cannot be conducted if “Northern Ireland” is elected, but there is nothing stopping a person from nominating England, Scotland or Wales even if they come from Northern Ireland.

Some of the British islands near the United Kingdom — such as the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Sark, Alderney and Herm) and the Isle of Man — are not part of the UK and in fact are “crown dependencies” with their own legal systems.

Same-sex marriage is legal in the Isle of Man and most of the territory governed by Guernsey, but not the most populous island Jersey.

Australia is clearly towards the back of the (English-speaking, advanced country) pack when it comes to legalising same-sex marriage, but it is not alone.

Last English-speaking democracy?

Others have made claims around Australia being the last English-speaking democracy without same-sex marriage.

Again, this is an exaggeration.

Fact Check considered at the The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index, which lists countries on a spectrum from full democracy to authoritarian.

Fact Check also took into account the annual Freedom in the World report, published by the US based Freedom House, which rates countries not free, partially free and free.

Out of the English-speaking countries listed as “full” or “flawed” democracies or “free” or “partially free”, only seven have legalised same-sex marriage.

A narrower claim was made in an August 14 tweet from the Sydney Mardi Gras, which stated there is same-sex marriage in “Every major English-speaking democracy EXCEPT Australia”.

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The accuracy of that statement depends on the definition of “major”.

But given the list of democratic English-speaking countries without same-sex marriage includes Singapore (with a population greater than New Zealand or Ireland) and India (with a population of over a billion people), it again goes too far.

All of these comparisons demonstrate that while Australia may be behind those countries that are culturally and economically similar to Australia, there are many English-speaking countries that have not legalised same-sex marriage, many of which can be fairly called “democracies”.

Broader claim, same result

Some politicians and campaigners have gone beyond Mr Leigh’s formulation to claim that Australia is the only English-speaking country that has not legalised same-sex marriage.

Andrew Hastie, Liberal MP from Western Australia and a known opponent of same-sex marriage, told the Parliament on October 13, 2016:

“It is true that Australia is the last English-speaking country in the world to redefine marriage.

We can learn from international experience, and I dare say that we need to appreciate the consequences.”

A few days later, Matt Keogh, a Labor MP also from Western Australia, similarly told the Parliament “we are the last English-speaking nation to make this change”.

When the Senate considered same-sex marriage in early 2017, the organisation Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) stated in a submission:

“It is time to recognise that we are the last English-speaking country that still discriminates against same-sex-attracted couples.”

More recently Professor Kerryn Phelps, Deputy Lord Mayor of the City of Sydney, told a forum on August 3, 2017:

“So many Australians are saying, ‘hang on, this is really an issue, we’re the only remaining English-speaking country without marriage equality.”

These claims are inaccurate.

Fact Check has found that out of 70 countries and self-governing areas that have English as an official language, only fourteen have legalised same-sex marriage.

These are Bermuda, Canada, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Ireland, Isle of Man, Malta, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, parts of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Africa, the United States and most of the United Kingdom.

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Date-stamped: 2017, Aug 25. | Time-stamped: Posted Friday at 04:52 | Article Link:  abc.net.au | Article Title: Fact check: Is Australia the only advanced English-speaking country without same-sex marriage?
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The Biblical View of Homosexuality (i)

by Frances Swaggart October, 2012 The Evangelist

(This article was originally printed in January, 2008)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet” (Rom 1:26-27).

After reading a vast variety of emails, articles, news clips, etc., I feel strongly impressed by the Holy Spirit to address the very delicate and controversial issue of homosexuality, not only homosexuality as society knows it to be, but God’s Biblical standard concerning it.

I do not wish to speak from standards of my own making here nor the ethical standards of our modern culture, but from the standards of a Holy God who has asked me to reach out to all who will hear Him concerning this very critical issue of our time.

I hope to make it clear to you how the Lord feels about homosexuality and, as well, His Solution for this terrible sin.

I once heard a wise man say that while God is the greatest embodiment of Love which has ever existed or will ever exist, it is not love that makes Him God.

God is God because of His Power! He is God because of His Authority! He is All-Powerful, All-Mighty, and All-Knowing. Yes, God is Love, but love is not God.

The Love of God is Holy. This presents a problem for a fallen, sinful creation. Mankind cannot receive the Love of God without willingly submitting to His Order and Authority by the Way of the Cross.

The Sacrifice of His Son, Jesus, for the Redemption of our sins was God’s way of showing us that within His great Power was also great Love. But, the conditions inherent in this Way of the Cross must be met for a man to receive the Love of God on a personal basis — to receive Salvation.

We must make Jesus both our Savior and our Lord.

Therefore, the Way of the Cross requires a man to surrender lordship of his own life to God, and he must also agree with God that it is His Standards alone which constitute Holiness.

Therefore, if God deems anything to be sin, man must agree. It is not man’s right to make the distinction between right and wrong; that is His right as Lord.

His Spirit is, in fact, speaking continually to the hearts of men: “I am the Lord.” We are without excuse. “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and He said, Thus shall you say unto the Children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you” (Ex 3:14).

THE WORD “HOMOSEXUALITY”

Many today would try to argue that we can’t be sure how the Lord views homosexuality, because the specific word, “homosexuality,” is not found in Scripture.

However, this argument is completely foolish, because the Bible does use plenty of other words and phrases which mean precisely the same thing. Besides, the word, “homosexuality,” did not even enter the English vocabulary until the early Twentieth Century. It is, in fact, for this peculiar sin that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, giving the word “sodomy” its Biblical origin.

In Ecclestical Latin, “sodomy” is translated “pecatum Sodomiticum,” or the “sin of Sodom.” “But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly” (Gen 13:13). “Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And He overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground” (Gen 19:24-25).

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel” (Deut 23:17). “And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the Children of Israel” (1 Kings 14:24). “And he broke down the houses of the sodomites, who were by the House of the LORD . . .” (2 Kings 23:7).

THE MEANING OF HOMO SEXUALITY

Also, referring specifically to homosexual acts, Leviticus 18:22 says: “You shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 says: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” And perhaps, the most obvious evidence that the Lord opposes homosexuality is that it is simply unnatural.

It clearly goes against His intention as Creator because it goes against the natural sexual expression of human beings. It also tears down the Spiritual Type the Lord intended for marriage to display. God created marriage, as a covenant relationship between a man and woman, as a picture of the covenant relationship a Believer enters into with the Lord when he is Born-Again.

A Christian becomes one with Christ as a husband and wife become one. The family unit then becomes a means of protection, security, and love, which demonstrates the very provision the Lord provides for His Children. “And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh” (Gen 2:22-24).

1 Corinthians 6:9, uses the word “effeminate,” which is a Greek word specifically meaning “sodomite” or “male homosexual prostitute.” It does not merely refer to a man with feminine qualities like we use it today. I Timothy 1:10 uses the phrase, “. . . them that defile themselves with mankind. . . .

The Greek word used in this verse is “arsenokoitais,” and means “male homosexuals.

Referring back to I Corinthians 6:9, this same Greek word was also originally used in place of the phrase, “. . . abusers of themselves with mankind.

Therefore, “arsenokoites,” more specifically refers to “abusers,” or “to be guilty of unnatural offenses; a sodomite; a homosexual; a sex pervert.

The Holy Spirit, here, likens homosexuality to predatorial abuse, even the abuse of oneself.

THE GREATEST SIN?

Yet, today, in city after city, there are entire areas given over to the homosexual lifestyle. The acceptance of this practice in modern society has been gradually building for sometime now, but in the last several years we have seen an explosion in its growth, as the minds of reprobate men fail to understand its far-reaching consequences.

With this delusion has also come the “demand” for the approval, inclusion, and support of homosexual “rights.” The demand is harsh and determined, and it is not only coming from homosexuals, but from our very own government.

They press on, despite the fact that, historically-speaking, every time a city was inflicted with this vice and left to run its natural course, the city became so shaken that it crumbled and fell.

Homosexual practice is, in fact, widely recognized as one of the causes for the downfall of the Roman Empire. They destroyed themselves by their own perversion, similar to ancient civilizations that literally sacrificed themselves out of existence.

This is exactly what we are facing today in the United States! From this point on, every decision we make concerning the issue of homosexuality will have lasting effects on our survival, not only as a nation, but as a human race.

In times past, it was only particular segments of the world which were permeated with this vile sin and destroyed.

Today, because it is embraced worldwide, the entire global community stands to be judged. This is absolutely one of the greatest signs of the times before us! Get ready, saints, for our “Redemption draweth nigh!”

THE TRUTH!

It is evident that intolerance and outrage is already coming from both sides of the fence in America. The battle cry has been sounded, the fight has been started, and the stones have been thrown. Indeed, the nation is once-again divided, and the war for the soul of America has begun!

So, how should a Christian fight?

Certainly not with hate, because it is not the sinner which God hates; rather, it is his sin.

It is homosexuality that we are against, not the homosexual.

A true Christian will do everything possible to show a homosexual the Love of God and the Way of the Cross, for he realizes that he was also once lost in his sin.

We would also welcome any homosexual to come to Family Worship Center as long as you conduct yourself properly and do not disrupt the Service in any way (which is the same requirements we have for everyone who attends our Services).

We look at our church like a hospital; it is there so the sick may receive Healing. Just understand, though, that we will preach the Truth regarding sin.

A true Christian can never fail to tell the homosexual the truth about his sin, no matter how much others may misinterpret the attitude of his heart. Love does not lie. The Apostle Paul once asked, “Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?” (Gal. 4:16).

SEXUAL PREFERENCE

Under a distorted version of what some homosexual activists are calling “freedom,” there is a movement taking place today which is designed to convince the American people that homosexuality is normal and that the homosexual’s perverse practices are only a matter of “sexual preference,” something to be seen as perfectly natural and non-threatening.

But, if everyone practiced this lifestyle, we would quickly see the extinction of the human race! How can we simply call any so-called “preference,” which puts man on the endangered species list, normal or natural? It doesn’t even adhere to America’s Declaration of Independence which was written to guarantee us “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” 

How can we have life without procreation?

On a spiritual level, the reality is that Satan despises the fact that man has been favored by God.

The Devil’s wish is to destroy His highest Creation.

Homosexuality is his most conscientious effort to eliminate the human race.

It not only stops procreation, but destroys the family unit.

Already, more than one spouse has been abandoned due to unnatural lust, and more than one marriage was forsaken before it ever took place at all. Homosexuality is, thereby, demonic in nature as unclean spirits aid Satan’s goal to “steal, kill, and destroy” (John 10:10).

THE LAW!

Of course, laws cannot put a person in right standing with God, because the problem is more than ethical, it is spiritual, but laws help guide society as a whole. This is why it is important for Christians to vote in the right laws for our country and speak out as much as possible.

However, this is also why homosexual advocates are pressuring the Christian community, as well as the heterosexual community in general, to cater to the homosexual agenda in every way possible. In the mean time, our minds are being desensitized by the media.

Every time we turn around we find that a homosexual character in a story is also the hero of the story. Or, another one of our favorite celebrities unashamedly announces his homosexuality.

We laugh at their jokes and admire their talents, but what we forget is that the homosexual community will not stop until it becomes a crime in America for anyone to call a homosexual act a sin. In fact, we just recently saw another major step in this direction.

Bill HR 2015 (a.k.a. the Employment Non-Discrimination Act), which prevents employers from refusing to hire someone based on actual or perceived sexual orientation, just passed the House.

Most of the time America’s citizens are denied the chance to speak out against the homosexual agenda, and those who try are quickly labeled as homophobic, narrow minded, and ignorant.

But, may we not force our moral and spiritual conscience to take a back seat because we fear our peers and the labels they may give us.

If homosexuals can “come out of the closet,” so must we.

Christians claim to be people of Faith, but remember that James said it well, “. . . Faith without works is dead” (James 2:26).

THE RIGHT SPIRIT

Also, contrary to popular opinion, it is possible for a person to speak out against homosexuality and vote against homosexual agendas without hating the homosexual or treating him harshly in any way. Anyone who does such is not dealing with the issue with a correct spirit or attitude.

And, so-called “Christians” who do such are actually hurting the cause of Christ. Yet, organizations are being formed today, which wish to label anyone who will clearly speak the Truth according to the Bible, as a “religious bigot.” For example, one organization called, Faith In America, is actively holding educational campaigns across America.

They state on their website  (www.faithinamerica.com): “The fundamental mission of Faith In America is to end bigotry disguised as religious truth and in doing so, ensure full and equal civil rights for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community in America.”

These organizations try to put homosexuality in the same category as race or gender.

But, the two are not comparable, because the Bible does not label race or gender as sin like it does homosexuality.

Actually, Christians cannot accurately be called “bigots,” because the definition of a “bigot” includes prejudice. Prejudice cannot exist in the proper understanding that the ground is level at the foot of the Cross.

The only thing the true Christian is against, is sin.

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16 Nov. Bishop Brian Tamaki blames gays, murderers and sinners for earthquakes

Truth and Lies feature

Above watch edited clip: The NZ Herald Article interprets Tamaki’s comments by implication of his commentary.
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In the NZ Herald article Reverend Helen Jacobi of Auckland church St Matthew-in-the-City said

“If that was the case, if you followed that to its logical conclusion, a baby dying of cancer would be somehow sinful, and that’s ridiculous. It’s just completely illogical.”

In the NZ Herald article Prime Minister Key said

Prime Minister Key said this afternoon that Tamaki’s comments were “ridiculous”.


“I mean, give me a break,” Key told Radiolive.

“Look, you always get people coming out with these stupid statements.

“The facts of life are New Zealand is a seismically prone country, with a number of very well identified fault lines.

“We’ve been a bit unlucky I think, clearly those plates are moving around a bit.

“It’s nothing to do with people’s sexuality. I mean, it’s just madness.”


geggeg2ic-150sqThis I would say to Rev. Helen; what an illogical rebuttal you put forward, In my opinion it appears your’e speaking from emotive thought processes. The Word of God Speaks for its self ! And that even when it doesn’t fit our preferences it is what it is.

Clearly the Word of God reveals clear consequences for entrenched sin within societies and records Gods dealings and judgements if his warnings go unheeded. This theme runs from the Book of Genesis to the Book of Revelations and as a minister I feel you should know this to be a sound biblical fact.

God is not in the Game of “Political Correctness” and God clearly has no problem naming what is Sin and confronting Individuals and Nations when God deems it necessary; nor is He apologetic in doing so, as God’s primary focus is on building our character into the likeness of Jesus rather than pampering to our desires for comfort which give us a warm feeling and begins to makes us all feel like singing “Kumbaya”.

The Old and New Testament clearly defines certain actions as Sins and some abominations before the Lord and that they have consequences to firstly the individuals and to a nation which embraces such lifestyles as acceptable social codes for conduct.

As ministers we are only a messenger not the writer of the message! Our job is to proclaim/declare/preach/teach the message the way it was written by “God” creator of Heaven and Earth whose son is Jesus.

It is never to be our concern that the hearers may not find the message (Gods Word) palatable or appreciated. Our responsibility is to just tell it the way God has said it, if the hearers do not like the message then they are free to take it up with the author “God” if they dare, Im sure their success at getting God to change his mind about what is sin and what is not; has the same odds as that of you and I seeing the day elephants roost in trees.

Moving on to the comments of Prime Minster Keys:

geggeg2ic-150sqI would suggest Prime Minister Key’s is possibly not terribly qualified or commissioned to be speaking on the behalf of “God” or qualified to expound on how God deals with individuals and society. As I would suggest Prime Minister Key’s command of and knowledge of the “Word of God” is skin deep at best. So Prime Minister Key’s critique of the Ps. Tamaki’s remarks from a pulpit really sit in left field and well out of Prime Minister Key’s areas of expertise.

Let me put it this way; If I need the opinion of a specialist for brain damage issues I do not go to a urologist, If I need an opinion on the God of the Bible I do not go to the Devil for it.

So when a preacher of Gods word casts opinions; I not going to go to the prime minister of NZ, Im going to go to the “Word of God” and see what God has said about it!

And this I would suggest all the readers do; and prior to doing so ask God to reveal the truth of His Word and at the same time be willing to (see and hear) what God has to say about Sin and its effects on a nation or individuals.

This rebuttal I’ve made is not to be construed as myself saying 100% that the happenings of earthquakes in the country of NZ in the last couple of years are connected to an action God is taking against New Zealand for the Nations actions of embracing that which God has clearly said is sin and also the formalization of spiritism into the national ethos in its society as being an essential intrinsic part of the Nations culture.

However I would not rule out the fact that God maybe be making a move to bring chastisement to the Nation of NZ concerning these very issues and along with chastisement a call to the nation to turn back to God and His ways.

In fact it could well be that we are seeing in NZ the birth pangs for a Nation to turn to God once again and allow God to set the standard of Conduct according to His absolutes within the Word of God.

I would suggest a prudent position would be to be very careful that as individuals and a Nation we are not rejecting messengers from God who are being sent to sound the alarm of warning and calling for change towards Gods boundaries as individuals and as Nation.

Rev. Gary (New Zealander by Birth)

HERE A QUALIFIED BIBLICAL OPINION WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION

How are we affected by sin?1)https://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/how-are-we-affected-sin

There are different schools of thought concerning the extent to which sin has affected us. Without a doubt, sin brings death (Rom. 6:23). Death is not a natural part of God’s creation. When sin entered the world, death came with it (Rom. 5:12). But, to what extent and how deeply are we affected by sin? The Reformed theologians hold to the doctrine of total depravity. This is the teaching that sin has affected all of what the person is in body, soul, emotions, mind, and spirit. Furthermore, the Reformed position states that the effect of sin on our persons makes unbelievers incapable of choosing God on their own since sin has left us dead, blind (Eph. 2:3), and incapable of understanding spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14).

In contrast, the Arminian position states that sin has affected all of what we are, but that it has not incapacitated the free-will choices of the unbeliever. The Arminian position states that the unbeliever is still capable of choosing or rejecting God on his own — all he needs is some prompting from the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless, the extent of the effect of sin upon us will continue to be debated by Christian theologians since the Scripture does not explicitly declare its depth.

Sin has also affected us by its influence on the world.  All we need to do is look around us to see that we grow old, get sick, and die. In other words, the world is decaying and we first notice it in our own bodies.  We also see the effect of sin on societies that war against each other. There is mayhem, killing, theft, adulteries, murders, lying, etc.  Our jails are filled with those who are ruled by sin — which is rebellion against God’s truth.

Also, sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc.  These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it.  When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall.  Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God.  Therefore, when Adam rebelled he took the world with him in his fall and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now,

Sin will be remedied finally only by the return of Christ who will then destroy sin and death completely. Until that day, we war against the sinfulness of our fleshly bodies as well as the effects of it upon creation.

Here is the Raw Word of God Scripture Read this and be courageous enough to ask God to reveal the truth of what hes saying within these verses!

Leviticus 18: 1-30 NIV (dynamic translation)

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.

21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”

Leviticus 18:1-30 ESV (word for word translation)

Unlawful Sexual Relations

1 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. 3 You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. 4 You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord.

6 “None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. 7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. 10 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness. 11 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife’s daughter, brought up in your father’s family, since she is your sister. 12 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s relative. 13 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister, for she is your mother’s relative. 14 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother, that is, you shall not approach his wife; she is your aunt. 15 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your daughter-in-law; she is your son’s wife, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 16 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother’s wife; it is your brother’s nakedness. 17 You shall not uncover the nakedness of a woman and of her daughter, and you shall not take her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter to uncover her nakedness; they are relatives; it is depravity. 18 And you shall not take a woman as a rival wife to her sister, uncovering her nakedness while her sister is still alive.

19 “You shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness while she is in her menstrual uncleanness. 20 And you shall not lie sexually with your neighbor’s wife and so make yourself unclean with her. 21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23 And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.

24 “Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean, 25 and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you 27 (for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean), 28 lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”


Leviticus 26:1-46 NIV 

Reward for Obedience

1 “‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God.

“‘Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.

“‘If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, I will send you rain in its season, and the ground will yield its crops and the trees their fruit. Your threshing will continue until grape harvest and the grape harvest will continue until planting, and you will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land.

“‘I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove wild beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country. You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.

“‘I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you. 10 You will still be eating last year’s harvest when you will have to move it out to make room for the new. 11 I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. 12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. 13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egyptso that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high.

Punishment for Disobedience

14 “‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands,15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.

18 “‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of your land yield their fruit.

21 “‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

23 “‘If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. 25 And I will bring the sword on you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. 26 When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied.

27 “‘If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eatthe flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I myself will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.

36 “‘As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them. 37 They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them. So you will not be able to stand before your enemies. 38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their ancestors’sins they will waste away.

40 “‘But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me, 41 which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, 42 I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. 44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’”

46 These are the decrees, the laws and the regulations that the Lordestablished at Mount Sinai between himself and the Israelites through Moses.

Leviticus 26:1-46 ESV

Blessings for Obedience

1 “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God. 2 You shall keep my Sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

3 “If you walk in my statutes and observe my commandments and do them, 4 then I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 5 Your threshing shall last to the time of the grape harvest, and the grape harvest shall last to the time for sowing. And you shall eat your bread to the full and dwell in your land securely. 6 I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid. And I will remove harmful beasts from the land, and the sword shall not go through your land. 7 You shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall chase ten thousand, and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. 9 I will turn to you and make you fruitful and multiply you and will confirm my covenant with you. 10 You shall eat old store long kept, and you shall clear out the old to make way for the new. 11 I will make my dwelling among you, and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you and will be your God, and you shall be my people. 13 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves. And I have broken the bars of your yoke and made you walk erect.

Punishment for Disobedience

14 “But if you will not listen to me and will not do all these commandments, 15 if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will visit you with panic, with wasting disease and fever that consume the eyes and make the heart ache. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set my face against you, and you shall be struck down before your enemies. Those who hate you shall rule over you, and you shall flee when none pursues you. 18 And if in spite of this you will not listen to me, then I will discipline you again sevenfold for your sins, 19 and I will break the pride of your power, and I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain, for your land shall not yield its increase, and the trees of the land shall not yield their fruit.

21 “Then if you walk contrary to me and will not listen to me, I will continue striking you, sevenfold for your sins. 22 And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted.

23 “And if by this discipline you are not turned to me but walk contrary to me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I myself will strike you sevenfold for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant. And if you gather within your cities, I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I break your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in a single oven and shall dole out your bread again by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied.

27 “But if in spite of this you will not listen to me, but walk contrary to me, 28 then I will walk contrary to you in fury, and I myself will discipline you sevenfold for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 And I will destroy your high places and cut down your incense altars and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols, and my soul will abhor you. 31 And I will lay your cities waste and will make your sanctuaries desolate, and I will not smell your pleasing aromas. 32 And I myself will devastate the land, so that your enemies who settle in it shall be appalled at it. 33 And I will scatter you among the nations, and I will unsheathe the sword after you, and your land shall be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.

34 “Then the land shall enjoy its Sabbaths as long as it lies desolate, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest, and enjoy its Sabbaths. 35 As long as it lies desolate it shall have rest, the rest that it did not have on your Sabbaths when you were dwelling in it. 36 And as for those of you who are left, I will send faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies. The sound of a driven leaf shall put them to flight, and they shall flee as one flees from the sword, and they shall fall when none pursues. 37 They shall stumble over one another, as if to escape a sword, though none pursues. And you shall have no power to stand before your enemies. 38 And you shall perish among the nations, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. 39 And those of you who are left shall rot away in your enemies’ lands because of their iniquity, and also because of the iniquities of their fathers they shall rot away like them.

40 “But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers in their treachery that they committed against me, and also in walking contrary to me, 41 so that I walked contrary to them and brought them into the land of their enemies—if then their uncircumcised heart is humbled and they make amends for their iniquity, 42 then I will remember my covenant with Jacob, and I will remember my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. 43 But the land shall be abandoned by them and enjoy its Sabbaths while it lies desolate without them, and they shall make amends for their iniquity, because they spurned my rules and their soul abhorred my statutes. 44 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not spurn them, neither will I abhor them so as to destroy them utterly and break my covenant with them, for I am the Lord their God. 45 But I will for their sake remember the covenant with their forefathers, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.”

46 These are the statutes and rules and laws that the Lord made between himself and the people of Israel through Moses on Mount Sinai.


Genesis 3:1-24 ESV

The Fall

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.

He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. But the Lord God called to the man and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 The Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this,
    cursed are you above all livestock
    and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
    and dust you shall eat
    all the days of your life.
15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
    and you shall bruise his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,

“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
    in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
    but he shall rule over you.”

17 And to Adam he said,

“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
    and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
    ‘You shall not eat of it,’
cursed is the ground because of you;
    in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
    and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
    you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
    for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
    and to dust you shall return.”

20 The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. 21 And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

Genesis 4: 1-12 ESV

Cain and Abel

1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord.” And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. In the course of time Cain brought to the Lordan offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. The Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it.”

Cain spoke to Abel his brother. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him. Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother’s keeper?” 10 And the Lord said, “What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground. 11 And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength.

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